Alyssa @ Machang Bubok
Alyssa, a residential development by TF Land within Machang Bubok township. Comprises 36 units of 2-storey terrace houses with two different layout design. It is 15 minutes away from Bukit Mertajam town and 10 minutes drive to Kulim.
Property Project : Alyssa
Location : Machang Bubok, Penang
Property Type : 2-Storey Terrace
Land Area: 20 ft. x 60 ft. onwards
Built-up Area: 20 ft. x 40 ft. onwards
Tenure : Freehold
Developer : TF Land
Contact No: 04-551 2635
Indicative Price: RM 360,000 onwards
@abc
Any crack issue happen ?
You won’t able to see it as my fren said the completed units area is totally sealed and closed with metal panel fence and no one can go in. Of course, developer’s staff and workers can access it. Wait for OC first but not so soon yet.
@ Can buy or not?
I am a house buyer and not a housing developer so I don’t know who is the owner of the DST abandoned housing project. I went there for inspection during my evening walk, out of curiosity, and I noticed there was no car porch -poor design and appear so unsightly. That means new owners have to park their cars by the roadside exposed to rain and sunshine Not a good area as you mentioned the road is so narrow, so if the project is revived, neighbors might quarrel over parking spaces. As it is, neighbors park their cars at random in the abandoned area, which is facing in front of their house. ( which they should not)
@abc
For Alyssa, so far so good,,, no visible cracks from outside. I think the cement work and plastering is OK except for one house which the bulldozer driver knocked the concrete fence with displacement of concrete while digging the drain and making the road. How careless of them and lack responsibility. It was quite some time….. about 6 months already and nothing being done so far. I don’t know what is the issue and what is holding them back.
which house unit have this issue?
when will get the OC? Nowadays, hard to find the developer to build the 2st in their upcoming projects, many for the developer claimed that they will only build the 3 storey, semi D or condo only…wonder why they do so? Might the reason of 3 storey & semi D can gain much profit, condo price at mainland now almost can sell around 400k whereby double storey can’t mark up with high price….foreseen next generation or future buyer only can opt with minimum choice of condo then next with 3 storey or semi D…pity for buyer only…
I don’t know why people are so crazy about gated and guarded community. You have to pay for maintenance and guards to ” jaga “your house. Nothing is free. I mean, if the thieves or burglars have marked your house, they want to come, they can come, they can rob you also. no guarantee. To me, ideally, the locality of the said property is of prime importance. It should be safe, free from thugs, gangsters, purveyors of illicit drugs, houses of ill repute (e.g. prostitution) free from smog, factories and slums.
The house in question is the fourth and fifth house of the second phase. A1
@ abc
After going on a survey to many housing development in Bukit Mertajam to compare price and quality….TL land is the cheapest but quality just average. Location wise, not bad…… but quality in terms of functionality and space should have room for improvement especially research and development. For example, giving wall tiles surrounding the kitchen (pleasing to the eye and easy to clean the oil that sticks to the wall) and flour tiles for the balcony. Small mistakes and flaws here and there spoil the beauty of the house. Cases in point is plastic circuit breaker behind the door is vulnerable to be damage if your slam the door accidentally.(it protrudes more than 6 inches). Fan hooks should be thicker and consistent in length. The architects who designed the staircase should see that the steps is wide enough for the foot. There should be no beam as you go upstairs, otherwise will knock the head. If at all the ceiling should be higher so that the beam supporting it does not obstruct or knock the head. It is unfortunate they don’t build DST anymore though the demand is still great. Perhaps they could consider an area of 21 feet by 71 feet. Build up area 49 by 21 feet and porch 22 feet. The width 21 feet because 6 inches goes to the neighbours wall on each side leaving a solid space of 20 feet wide.
Seem like a lot design flaws based on your description. Anyway I am expecting a larger build up or land area for a project which, located at non prime area. This becomes important when resell time. Else your property don’t have a unique strong point compare to future house there when the area is fully developed.
The errant developer is TF Land, you know one, same one with Alyssa developer. Your “evening” walk at 13:25pm, your posted time after few hours I posted my comment in the morning ? Ha ha ha. Good try. Anyway, Thks.
@lim
Everybody wants value for money and quality comes at a price. Alyssa is not bad and still people are searching to buy. I am very thorough about house design and I give my views with the hope that there will be further improvements in R&D. By the way, I want a comfortable home within my budget and I have no intention to sell and when I grow old, I will give it to my wife and then to my son.
@Can buy or not ?
My goodness gracious! Are you sure it is TF land? It is news to my ears. The reason I replied to you straight away was because I made the survey months ago when they start to make the “Kong Si Kong” (workers squatters) and they start to fence up the area with zinc. I did not make my evening walk at 13:25pm just to entertain your request and get burnt by the afternoon sun. It is silly and preposterous to assume that.
@lim
The plus points of Alyssa is that there are no houses in front, so you can park the car free and easy without obstructing your neighbor. Where can you find a place like this? The durian trees, shrubs and undergrowth in front of the house provides oxygen, shade and cooling effect and as a filter from dust (so the area is windy and not hot). There are three access road (entrances) to Alyssa that is, North, South and West. The land area is longer by 8 feet and the built up area is larger, 45 by 20 feet compared with the standard built up area of 20 by 40 feet. There is a family hall upstairs and you can sleep there if you have a lot of visitors. See the difference? You can do your marketing in Kampong Machang Bubok which is just a walk away. Enjoy 2 countries (Kedah and Penang). That is why I like Alyssa.
When this project will get the OC? Do you know the minimum price of garden residency? Are there any 2st or just only sem-D? What is the driving distance from there to Jusco Alma? New property around Alma like Jesselton Hill, Hillpark, Tropicale Residency, Taman impian ria all with min price >400k for 2st…but TF quality really as you said “so so”, i’m personally very impressed with those listed property of their quality & design with g&g concept. Alma will be congested once jusco launch in coming next wed!
whkh… is this project still have open units for sale? what is the price? any rebate or free spa, legal fee?
@abc
Alyssa is sold out because of strategic location and price is reasonable. The only choice left is Garden residency which I expect to be more than 500K . It all depends on your budget, buy what you can afford but don’t accumulate so much debt buying an expensive house and suffer later on. As for me, my budget was less than 400K so the logical choice was Alyssa. As for Garden Residency, you can see the show house and you can esquire at TF land office. I am not a housing developer, only a purchaser. The advantage of Bandar Machang Bubok is….it is “infrastructure ready” meaning all the basic amenities are there, e.g. provision shops, supermarket, kopithiam, car repair and service, motorcycle shop, Pharmacy, hand phone shop, clinics, market, restaurants, primary and secondary schools, Chinese school, etc etc etc. If you are hungry for super you can walk for “Char Kuey Teow or “Mee Goreng” and school all within walking distance. What more could you ask for? From Bandar Machang Bubok to New AEON hypermarket (Jusco) and Tesco is about 10 to 15 minutes drive by shortcut from Taman Sejatera. Until now no OC yet for Alyssa, Garden residency, and second phase of Bambuza. I don’t know why. House completed long time ago but no OC yet. Maybe a lot of red tape and bureaucracy or many channels to follow through.
@abc
Another thing I forget to mention is…..if you buy a bungalow unit or a semi D double storey, there is no access road at the back or back lane. It is designed like a cluster house with no back lane. In case of fire or emergency you can only run in front of your house or worse case scenario, you jump over your neighbors wall at the back. Since no back lane, all your rubbish is put in front of your house and if the fish head or chicken head or innards not collected by the town council lorry because of public holiday, it will be very smelly in front of your house. Nothing like the old fashioned and classic design of DST with back lane.
I think you are developer cos you are so familiar and well noticed everything about this project. Is this fully sold out or fully book, if fully book means still have chances for available units as some buyer might not granted the bank loan rite? What will be build at the behind of this 2st? Are there any play ground floor plan for this project?
@abc
I went the sales office 3 months ago, just 2 houses were under booking and all r sold d. Between, beside this project is a football field, now is in the progress. Behind will build shop lot and a complex. But i think for the complex will not so soon. In my opinion, at this moment is not require to hv a complex there.
@abc
Many people had the impression that I am a housing developer which I am not. I develop a self interest in architecture and as a young boy I used to watch how the workers lay their bricks and mortar together with plastering, mixing of cement in correct proportion, making concrete with steel bars etc Please read my earlier replies in the forum which might help you to answer some of your questions as I had repeatedly answered in the earlier postings. What do I gain if I tell you a lie? It doesn’t benefit me in any way. I am just sharing my knowledge to enlightened others.
My suggestion to phone or visit developer sales office directly, request to see Future Dev Planning, also visit the site and ronda-ronda (drive around) Taman (Bandar as developer like to advertise it) Machang Bubok, looks at the past phases houses, shop lots, shops, variety and quality of goods, services for sales. You can also talk to existing residents, shop owners, etc to gauge the overall feeling. Also, try to travel to Tesco, AEON Jusco Alma from this Taman through shortcut road through Tmn Sejahtera. However, I don’t think you can access to Alyssa houses because it’s already sealed, closed with fence like somebody said.
will the small road from taman sejahtera to machang bubok develop? saw many car pass thru this road but this road very small & narrow.
What is the selling price quoted now? Majority owner is Chinese or Malay or indian in this housing project？
The price of houses will be stable unless the world stock market collapse or is in recession.
In my opinion, for double storey terrace houses below 400K, Alyssa is a good buy considering the locality, infrastructure and other contributing factors. I wouldn’t say it is cheap but at least it is reasonable when compared with others in terms of size and design. For those who bought type A1 earlier on, it was 388K less rebate 18K. (370K) If I am not mistaken, even those buyers with rejected bank loans (about 5 to 6 of them) all their units were completely sold out to prospective buyers.
@abc
That will depend on the Town Council. If majority petition and make a request to the town council most probably they will consider widening it. But then again it might trespass somebody’s private property. It used to be a narrow kampong road, quiet and lonely and I heard some “kena samun” or extorted as some thugs will be waiting in the dark place at the top of the hill at night (pow looi, ah!!!) as very few cars pass through at night except motorcycles. But now it is safe as every few minutes there are lorries, cars and motorcycles passing through.
How can you know in so details of the buyers!!! If u r not the developer, then r u the worker or have any relationship with this project???
this place so near kulim? y not drive 10min more buy DTS at Kulim only 200k+
Kantoi.
@abc
Like every prospective house buyers, I enquire at TF land office so I was told by the Admin staff there, as I recommended some friends to buy there, as they asked for my opinion. It was in the layout plan in the office so you can choose the ones that are available. The ones that are vacant is being circled. Please read from the beginning of my postings (all of them ) and you will get a rough idea of what type a person I am. It looks like you don’t deserve any advice or opinion from me. From now on you find out yourself and don’t ask me anymore as you’re being ungrateful.
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No use being a good Samaritan. You find out yourself and don’t ask me. From now on, no more feed back from me. I couldn’t be bothered even if you fall into deep abyss.
@whkh
U dont have to bother so much. that is why these sort of people will always stay at the bottom of society as they still dont acquire the basic skill to think and analyze. simply talk base on their so called sixth sense feeling with no evidence based.
Public forum where got evidence one. No matter he is developer or owner fir sure he ia so hard sell. Maybe wanna let go his unit.
That’s why I said, for those are really interested in this project must go to the project site and entire surrounding Taman areas to jalan-jalan, ronda-ronda, drive around at least few times in different days and time to gauge the actual surrounding and feeling ma and cannot just trust advertisement and comments in this forum. No doubt there are many shops there but the variety or quality of goods and services offered are limited choices and a bit boring, sian nia for now.
This housing is good for own stay not for investment. If you all aware, most of the developers now at the build trend of service apartment or condo for upcoming new housing project; landed property mostly is Semi D, bungalow and townhouse which is targeting mostly the rich ppl, investor, business man. For youth generation who just step in working world or will get married soon which starting to find the housing, will all sooner or later opt for apartment/condo with their affordable range. Honestly, how can youth ppl can own a luxury semi D, bungalow this high price property as we r talking for above 600k/700K… or 1mil above property, if they can because have financial support from parent/ family. Besides, bank tighten the loan currently, as you can see most of the house is booking status which buyer find harder & harder to get the bank loan unless u have very good financial report like FD statement, good payment records of credit card, pay tax every years….good income….bla bla bla, so in the end, the true buyer is just the few as many of them unable to get the bank loan and turn down the house purchase. Next, the bank interest increase, GST all this implemention will potentially has bad impact on housing purchase power especially for the youth 20-30 aged. Hence, if you can just fast fast to grab a good unit, don’t hope the house property will collapse at time being and in the end left no choice but force to buy unsatisfy unit or even unable to purchase a unit as we used to say that” don’t regret later because not get aboard the ship”
Currently live in machang bubok 2 sty, 1st phs, been living in this taman already 11 years. Now bought 3 sty semi D, happy to live here. This area not too busy and not too quiet, is a nice place for a good home for rest. If you think of investment buy/sell this is not a good place for you because the house value appreciate like a turtle in this area.
If you want shopping just few minutes drive away to Jusco with short cut. Developer build quality although is so so, but the price is more realistic compare to DNP houses.
IF there are TF developer guys in this forum, i hope they abandon the shopping complex/supermarket/mall behind Alyssa, reason for living in machang bubok is quiet needed and not too far from nearby shopping and eateries. if you have complex here, it would create a lot of social problem, people loafing around, traffic jam, noise, air pollution, and theft and house breaking would be even more.
For your info, all my sibling also happy residence to Taman Machang Bubok..
anybody know when taman alyssa will obtain oc?
yg please enquire from TF land office to get a clear picture and accurate information instead of mere hearsay and rumours.
The house numbers had been fixed individually so good luck. If you want to have your house numbers cast in stone, go to the stone shop and have your numbers engraved in gold paint in the background on an oval shaped Indonesian polished black Granite. It cost RM120.00 The electrical poles had been planted in front of the house but the telecoms cables not yet. They had planted palm trees in front of the house with Ixora flowers. For those with extra money and wants heavy duty circuit breaker they can buy MEM 18 way 63 amp with steel casings for RM450.00 complete set at Kampung Bengalli (by the way there is no Bengalli there) or you can get it even in Chai Leng Park. Do not do conceal wiring behind the main door as there is a beam running from top to bottom. If you dig in the front door, the beam may cave in and lose support.
@whkh: thank you very much for share such useful information.
So far so good, I am quite happy with the progress. However there are certain areas that is an eyesore and should be rectified as it doesn’t cost much at all. The concrete drains (longkang) that leads to the culvert should be properly cemented. Just because “longkang” carries dirty water it doesn’t mean it should not be done in a slip shod manner. For example the curved concrete slap joining another slab to make the drain should be cemented. Some are cemented and some are left open with 1cm to 2 cm gap allowing water to sip through the soil. Some granite chips are exposed and not touched up to fill the gap. Blocked culvert or drain pipes were simply knocked with hammer to allow water to pass through exposing rough edges and steel concrete wires / bars exposed. Some concrete remains and water might not flow smoothly. A properly done drain should last a lifetime.
Another thing is the corners of a side table or the curb of the road. The corners were badly done by just arranging jagged and crooked bricks at the corners of the curb Is it so difficult to build concrete rounded corners nicely instead of putting loose bricks there?
@whkh
Hopefully by next year CNY they can pass the keys as promised.
@whkh what is the house numbers starts from?single digits to double?
From double digit to 3 digit all odd numbers if I’m not mistaken starts from number 75 till 135(max) , so there are no number 4. By the way, heavy monsoon season is a good time to check for leaks. Once come dry season hard to detect leaks. There is a guard stationed in premise no 97 but I didn’t see the guard for few weeks already. Some body eat lunch or dinner there and just throw the paper food and plastic wrappers in the porch or just fling it over to the neighbors house , premises No 99 because no dust bin there.
Are you waiting to move in before Chinese New Year? Well good luck… You can “chai” the house numbers and see if you can strike a small fortune! Don’t forget to check for auspicious dates before moving in and also perform some customary prayers for good health and happiness for all the occupants.
@whkh today i went in and checked also ya all odd numbers but find it weird the first house start with 89 thn 87 3rd house 70 onwards.complicated why such way?
it is indeed strange and weird to have jumping numbers and not in sequence. I am not able to answer you, so you have to ask TF land for reasons best known to them.
I heard that buyer got complain there is tiang TNB infront of their house, not direct but at side that cant do any extension of the gate if they wanted to. Normally it will be between houses right. Guess the user need to go TNB and do complain developer wont change it. I need to check mine to, weird.
I might be wrong here …. but from what I see all the “tiang TNB ” were properly planted in between two houses exactly at the boundary as most people especially the the Chinese “pantang” or superstitious to have electric pole facing directly in front of their houses. Maybe, its the corner houses but then again if you look properly, it is planted beside the house. We cannot please everybody but as long as the pole is not facing the house or obstruct the car from coming in to the porch, I see no reason to complain. But on the other hand, if you want to make the gate bigger (corner lot) to park lorries inside or 3 cars then you have to request TNB to shift the pole and then that again cost money not free. We have to be reasonable and not act according to our whims and fancies. Sometimes in life, we can’t have the cake and eat it as well.
Is the tiang TNB planted between house equipped with street light? Or there will be street light along site opposite the house? Estimated when will obtain OC?
@MC
Not yet install and there won’t be any street light along the opposite site of the houses as TF have already planted Ixora flower plants and palm trees to beautify the site landscaping.
If based within the 24 months grace period then the OC could be obtained by early 2015.
Testing and commissioning of street lighting is on. You can see the street lights from afar. It looks like for every 3 tiang TNB there is one light.
May I know what is the market price/subsale price after obtained the OC?
I saw the other day. i guess that house the tiang is in between 2houses but center at wall of that house so if the owner wants to extend the gate to park susah la..lol. Normally the tiang wont kacau even you wish to do renovations. like my current taman all houses the tiang sit cun cun in between 2houses, so both houses can replace a very big gate. As i hear from a TNB folk he mentioned all this developer can advice them, but if ask developer sure they say it’s TNB problem. haha.. let the owner settle it la poor him. Or dont do any renovation to extend the gate only lor.
I checked the house numbers. The first 3 houses got wrong numbers. It is 85, 87, 89, then suddenly, 71, 73, 75, 77, 79, 81, 85, 87, 89, 91, 93, 95, 97, 99, 101, 103, and so on and so forth. That means 85 got 2 house numbers, 87, got 2 house numbers and 89 got 2 house numbers. It should be 65, 67, 69, then 71 and so on and so forth. All the house numbers were correct and in sequence except the first 3 houses in the first phase. So careless mistake or arithmetic is so poor.
I was cracking my head to find out why the numbering problem……. like finding the Da Vinci code. Maybe … just maybe somebody don’t like the number 67 as in Cantonese it is “Loke Chat” literally it means “penis” so maybe a deliberate attempt to cover up or to confuse people…But this can be overcome by numbering it as 65 A. That will solve the problem.
If you couldnt figure out the correct numbering, I think postman also get confused. In the end you lost all your important letters. Please ask the TF developer to fix it immediately, i think this is a mistake. If they cannot do, go ahead to sue them. This is such a silly mistake and a serious issue.
I absolutely agree with one of the posters. This property is good for own stay but not for investors to get $ fast.
I think I agree that Condominium should not be built there as it will create traffic congestion and it will loose its exclusiveness and a peaceful residential area. Moreover there are many shop houses on both sides of the road. In this times of economic uncertainty and inflation, if you build the house too cheap, you don’t make money but if you build too expensive, hard to find buyers. The ideal one is Double storey terrace which is saleable and within reach of the middle and upper income group and usually it will be snapped up in no time.
Happy New year, still no updates can given from developer office when the house is ready to move looks like before CNY is impossible allready
@whkh
i did ask the TF staff last month, she just told me will obtain OC before 1st half year.
@yg
hope we all can be a good neighbors soon ya 😀
yup i did get the same answer. lets wait
Through my observation, some thieves had tried to steal some fixtures to the plumbing such as tap heads etc and there were signs of forced entry as some iron grills and steel doors were twisted in the back doors near the kitchen. I hope TF land takes immediate action before they ransack the house, lock, stock and barrel and cause disfigurement to the window iron grill and steel back door. The bush at the back lane should be cleared and if possible street lighting should be erected at the back lane so that people can see who steals at night.
As the OC takes some time, TF land should send security guards to patrol the area before the thieves plunder all the tap heads and fixtures and cause permanent disfigurement of twisted iron grills or steel back doors.
The back door is open, all the houses in the same row. I don’t know why TF land don’t make an effort to close the back doors. The house had been ransacked upstairs and down stairs. The bloody thieves not only stole all the plumbings but ripped and pull out the pipes and basins causing a big hole and disfigurement of the tiles. This needs to be replaced as the hole is big and the pipes loose and the threads worn out. There is no guard there and the security of the house is at stake. All the house buyers should insist that they change all the damaged tiles as there are cracks and big hole. New should be new as it is not a second hand house. If you patch up with cement its going to be damn ugly. because the pipes are ripped off and the hole is big and pipes are shaky.
I did ask the developer on this, they mentioned will replace/fix for us if found missing or faulty.
Guys,
remember to check your bathroom water proofing. Buy a CLAY from hardware shop block up all the drain hole, flood your bathroom with water, leave it for atleast a week, if the water is getting less, fill up again, if you no see the sign of water seeping through the floor to your GF ceiling then it is fine, else claim defect from developer. it happen to quite a number of houses to Semi D in Garden Residency. Check you window and wall too, a lot of leakage if is raining. The best way is visit to your house when you see heavy rain is coming, this is the best time to spot leakage.
Hi guy, just want to update with you all.
Yesterday i did called the developer office, they told that probably will be obtain oc for another 2 weeks.
@yg guess been delay for sometime.
How to get OC when the retention pond is not fenced up? This is for safety reasons so that children don’t play around there. The pond is grown with lalang. At the back of the house wild trees and bushes grow wild. Thieves and robbers could use the bush as a hideout. It needs to be cleared. Make sure all plumbings and cracked tiles are replaced as it was ripped off forcefully by thieves. Check for leakages as the pipes might be loose.
really disappointed with the alyssa progress. It has been long time they finished the construction……
I got letter to collect key ontop a bill to settle. Quit rent…all tht understood but why admin charge up to 800++.educate me plz…..
i also get letter to collect key but charge me 1300++,according to their explain is bank release money late,i have not agree and ask them to check with lawyer.and i not agree to pay that….
Sen..They told u this reason??? To me different story told that they guven discount and now they need to revised back due to HOP price and nett price difference since they owe us money they detuct that cash wth nett price it seems and i owe them that 800+ differences and telling we gave u discount what earlier n logics applied. Ridiculous u give discount then now asking back??? By right they have to pay us back with 157days delayed. And pusing the story make us pay for their delay??? where in earth this make any sense. U given discount now say kawtim wth the delay la ontop say snp price n nett price diff so i untung hahahaha joke dont make people fools la…ok.. u think tis is low cost only kampung people come and buy???so can make own logic to self untung.
There is no such thing as bank releases late developer in charge to submit the completion note if developer delay then bank delay. what the buyer got to do? Always the logic is developer n bank is friends they wont hurt each other only buyer will become the victims…. Ridiculous….day light rob.
@D did you pay for the amount state in the letter.
i’m not yet attend to the office. Are you called to the office or attend to the office?
I never paid…totally disagree.. i walked in to their office.said will get their management people to talk n explain later. How ever dunno how to digest this reasons n logic…u give discount now asking back. Our delay we pay for it their delay also we pay for it???
Hi whkh, why are you silence on this time?
This time lah is the real and important issue for you to speak up against the developer daylight robbery.
I also waiting their management feedback, but still not yet receive their feedback…
My admin miscellaneous/admin charges is less than 100. Why everybody get the different amount?
Hi Christine, where were you when we actively engaged in a discussion? Just look at the contribution and postings I’ve made. I am not under any obligation to respond as I am not a legal adviser, a leader or a lawyer and the best person to seek help in any dispute is a lawyer. Any opinion, expressed or implied was given in good faith and to the best of my knowledge as a lay person.
However, I am surprised at the administration fee and interests charged on discounts given. A discount is a discount and was given in good faith, so how can they calculate interest on that? If we had performed our duties as a house buyer and make regular payments at the time and manner aforesaid stipulated succinctly in the sales and purchase agreement and never had any default or late payments, I don’t see why additional administration fee should be charged.
It was strange and improbable that the delivery of vacant possession of the said premises was without the occupation certificate which are still pending for 2 weeks. Normally, the certificate of fitness for occupation is obtained before the delivery of vacant possession. If the buyer and seller had performed the covenants as per S & P why charge additional administration fee? Moreover, the delivery of vacant possession was delayed. Please refer to your S&P. Just my two cents.
@whkh
True that whkh, also find it amused developer late to deliver and charge the buyer for their mistakes. How to make my self feel stupid and agree upon them?
The delivery of vacant possession is a joke as it should be free from any encumbrances, conditions or restrictions, as you are denied access to your house. The road leading to the house was blocked on both sides so how could you bring your family to inspect the premises unless of course, you crawl underneath the fence. Having paid all the dues to the company and not owing them a single cent, the owner have the right to to enter upon the premises, inspect and enjoy the facilities therein. However, the plumbings to the kitchen, tap heads, sink etc was not fixed yet. Since there was no occupation certificate despite paying the full amount, can we install electrical and water supplies and fittings, iron grills to the said premises?
Please take precautions when moving to the new house. Prevention is better than cure. Do not allow children to play near the retention pond as it was not fenced up. Please move in groups for safety reasons. Good neighbors are an asset. In bad times like these, if you are alone and isolated there, you might be exposed or target for robbery.
For those with extra wad of cash to spend, installing a CCTV would be of help for security reasons as there is thick bush at the back of the house.
Make sure you pull the handbrakes of the car properly as the porch is sloping , not level and might pose a danger to children if the car suddenly moves.
@whkh
So u have paid and got your keys?what is the explanation of your payment that buyer owe developer?can elaborate plz.
@yg @sen you guys also paid allready?
@D currently I am outstation. Not able attend to office ask for the answer. But I did call the office, get the same answer with u guy. When ask for details and why, they just fail to answer my questions and go back the same answer. I not yet pay cause I think the overdue interest charge is ridiculous. If bank release money late, charge with the bank. Why the delevoper charge the buyer. I can’t accept it. Will go to the office when back to Bm and for the explanation.
Anyone successful waive the charge welcone to update here. Thanks
In fact, vendor is fail to deliver VP to us because the delivery of VP have to supported by certificate of completion & compliance which TF just mentioned had submitted the application only, yet to approved!
OC is not obtained yet…but start deliver the keys. And was told by the staff all other buyers agreed to pay and took the keys. Weird. Still there is no answer from them on this.
Hi All,
Please visit website below for information.
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Business-News/2014/01/25/Damages-for-late-delivery/?style=biz
i have not paid and not agree to pay, they said want to check with lawyer but almost 2week liao i still dint get any feed back from them…….
@MK
Yup good artical, but need to be honest enough to payback insteed twisting around. @sen any news from them?
@whkh why so silent never reply my query to you, maybe can share your points what was their explanations n you took your keys
Buyers,
I just collected the keys and cheque from the developer. And soon I realised that the house’s CFO & CCC have not yet been obtained. I am also being told that many other buyers have collected the keys with the compensation based on the notification to deliver the vacant building (23’rd July 2015). Please be reminded that this not correct. We have full rights to claim the full compensation calculated up to the date of CFO/CCC. If the developer threaten that you have signed the agreenment upon cheque issual, you still can make complaint to the tribunal regarding this. TF Land is cheating us. Do not hesitate to make noise. We shouldn’t be treated like stupid buyer. Let’s gather our voice and get back what we deserved.
@Shinji
Shinji which means they have given you the delayed payment?
Ya same story they telling to make people stupid that others have paid for their late as admin fee….ridiculous. They never want to pay us compensation insteed telling me try to kawtim with discount they given to me when i was early bird for this project. What do think bout this reason…who on earth will buy this story? Discount given then can kawtim this way also???
@Shinji
can elaborate on how you claim the late delivered payment form developer?
for my case, they charge me overdue interest and told me this is due to bank late release payment to them, and for the admin charge just told me is me is a standard charges. seem like different ppl get different story from them.
For my case, they told me the same thing (bank release money late) and they charge me around 1.1k. Fine… I check on my bank and realised they really did so. (but why developer didn’t notify us that time – 2 years ago?) Ok, I pay for the late interest developer charged on me. But then for the delay of delivery, I found that they are trying to cheat me with the notification delivery date. When our bank release money late, they make full claim on us. When they deliver the house late, they are trying to runaway. That’s why I am telling everyone of u here please get the full claim from the developer. Please do not compromise with them. Compromising with them Will Just make them stronger.
When I question the developer on this, they asked me to call the lawyer. On the spot I made the phone call to the lawyer in front of them. Lawyer firm asked me to refer back to them. And in the end, “we will get back to u” is the answer I got. I will call them everyday to follow up..
@Shinji
mean the delevoper already issued the compensation cheque to you?
thank you very much for your info. it help us a lot.
appreciate it
Yes. But soon after I received the cheque, I found something not right. That’s why I called my own lawyer and question about this. He mentioned to me that the developer is trying to runaway from the compensation. Do not hesitate to claim back what we deserved.
this developer really try to cheating people,now there late pass the house ,so there need to pay late payment,now there try to find lobang to get some money from you and cut the late charges,please make sure all the thing right only sign the document.some more she told me their are listed company every thing is follow by rules, please becarefull for those who not yet sign the paper,for those already sign, treat this is a leason.( broken english,hope u all can understand )
@Shinji
The deliver of vacant possession is from when we sign the S&P or when the project start?
Thank you
YG it should be from snp date…for me is delay more then 100± days..wch also heavy the compensation thats reasons giving nonesense stories to make us fools.Tribunal can be the answer if all file together.
@D
then you should follow shinji step claim for the late deliver.
i am not entitled for this…
@yg
When is ur snp date? Until now the Oc is not yet obtained. It might drag until ur date.
@D
Have u made the claim?
@Shinji
mine 1 still a long way. it is another 8 months only reach the 24 months from the SNP date.
Have u take your key or already check with ur house condition?
ha ha this developer is like that one since all their previous phases, in case you guys did not know about it. Last time they name is TF Land, rename it to Team Four, then rename back to TF Land. Same company, different names to build different phases.
File your case to Tribunal straight-way, otherwise, you will not have chance to win this because they only follow their advantage rules.
Also, remember your SnP lawyer is not representing you. It’s their panel lawyer.
Hello whkh, you don’t know about all these info meh ?
Hi All,
Please find below the address of the Tribunal north branch office :-
Tribunal Tuntutan Pembeli Rumah Zon Utara
Tribunal Tuntutan Pembeli Rumah Zon Utara
Kementerian Perumahan dan Kerajaan Tempatan
Aras 7 , Zon B, Wisma Persekutuan Seberang Perai Utara
Jalan Bertam , 13200 , Kepala Batas
Seberang Perai Utara , Pulau Pinang
Tel : 04-5759022 / 04-5757866 / 04-5757899
Faks: 04-5757869
@MK
Thanks for ur info…
@yg
i have taken the key and checked the house condition. It’s not related with the compensation, so i think we should seperate it out. Anyhow, if they are not able to give me a satisfying answer, i have no choice but to ask tribunal to decide on this.
@Shinji
I haven’t made any claims. Got to take the necessary actions now. The management people never want to speak with us. The sales rep keep repeating this is management decisions say we let you to put Actual price in SnP vs the discounted price….If she cant provide more details then why cant the management people to speak..say busy then say out of office. All the bull stories
I’ve checked with a lawyer on this issue. The developer is trying to buy time to avoid paying further compensation. According to housing statutes and building by laws the delivery of vacant possession should come with an occupation certificate. If the premises is without electricity and water it is considered non delivery of vacant possession. It is a duty of care of the developer to obtain the OC before handing the keys. Even though some of you had received the keys and cheques for compensation, you are still entitled for further compensation as there was further delay, if you lodge a complain to the tribunal. This is because you cannot move in to the new house and deprived of staying there because you cannot have water and electricity supply. All monies had been paid to the developer but you are deprived of staying in your own premises.
There was a breach of SnP agreement that the house should be handed over within 2 years after signing the sales and purchase agreement, after which a 10% interest per annum is to be calculated for each day that transpires, moreover there was a verbal promise that the OC will be obtained in 2 weeks. How can the developer sent a letter to collect the keys and said explicitly that it is a delivery of vacant possession and at the same time apply for the OC? It was clearly written on the letter. Any further delay the developer have to compensate the buyers otherwise lodge a complaint to the Tribunal.
OC have obtained on the 10th aug…till 17th was asking them said havent..till need to step to MPSP ask then they said allready out on 10th Aug. Called TF land on 17 and asked they say never received any. Can it take 1week to reach developers hand? Only yesterday they call and said they allready got it. Did any one of you buyers have the CCC copy yet? I asked they say management never give yet. Stories
@whkh
Do u think we should report to tribunal directly since the developer refuse to meet us for discussion at all…
@shinji Plz do so..heard from authority this developer have known issues. So do not wait. Go to tribunal and check.
I think we should wait and give them time to get the water and electricity connection which they said another two weeks. On the positive side, the company had made compensation although not the full amount as a “sweetener” to all house buyers without hassle. On another note they are kind enough to offer discounts and the price was cheap compared to other developers. Location is right in the middle of Machang Bubok township. Moreover, the land area is longer by 8 feet that is 20′ x 68′ instead of the standard 20′ x 60′. Considering all these factors, we should wait and give them chance to make good their promises. If we are deprived of staying the new house because of further delay, with no electricity and water, and when a shove becomes a push then, we have no choice but to report to the tribunal. Sometimes in life we cant have everything, we lose some and win some. I know some of you are excited, desperate and want to enjoy staying in a new house.
As times are bad and maybe we are facing a world economic recession, we have to be prudent in our spending other wise it may affect the monthly housing installment to be paid to the bank. In the worse case scenario, if we are not careful we might see a lot of foreclosures and bad debts. I am not a Guru here but just offering my thoughts. I might be wrong.
To me the most important thing to do is the fixing of the iron grill for security reasons. I wont spent on lavish renovations due to tight budget unless of course you have extra cash to spend. I was surprised that I saw 3 house renovation brokers/ contractors loitering along the road, in front of the house and waiting for hours on end from morning till 7pm to strike a deal with house owners and waiting for “Kung Tao” to get renovation works. Some even come as far from Kulim. That shows how desperate they are finding money to eke out a living, due to economic uncertainty. I guess times are bad.
This developer is “famous” one from past projects and phases.
Report to Tribunal immediately and directly for the compensation part due to late handling over of vacant procession. Even you had reported to Tribunal, they still have to get the water and electricity ready for connection for buyers as per SnP.
Other factors like offer discounts, 20 X 68 land, economic recession, renovation budget, contractors loitering, blah, blah, blah, blah have nothing to do with refusing FULL compensation as a result of late handling of vacant procession.
Get advices also from HBA – National House Buyers Association. www.hba.org.my/
Guys better do it as per advice…they still fails to provide me the keys unless im willing to pay the amount back as charged admin fee with lame mouth reasons and dare not give the same reason in written form so clear cut such a cheater. I have filed in to tribunal.
@Albert
You’re right, looks like we have to file with the tribunal. We waited for so long. No choice but the last resort. Even our lawyer doesn’t represent our house buyers interest as it also represent the developer. They call it delivery of vacant possession but no light and water. 2 weeks after 2 weeks nothing happened. We might have to seek help from the house buyers association or other lawyers as all payments had been made. We may even have to seek legal redress as we are deprived of staying in our own house without light and water.
finally TF Land call to inform that 23/11 can go to submit TNB form!
It is consider to be close to a year from given date by the developer. Hrmm
I hate to write this, but I have no choice. We are buying a beautiful house but full of defects. Complaining to the developer TF land takes time to rectify the fault. They send in experienced foreign worker who made worse or aggravate the problems.
1. The roof leak in many places and the Myanmar or bangla workers could not detect the fault. In fact made worse when they step on the tile. Balcony leak and stained the ceiling.
2. Roof leak and stained the roof upstairs. Master bedroom toilet leaking from the ceiling.
3. Bathroom floor leaking and stained the ceiling.
4. Septic tank blocked to the main hole and overflowed with water.
5. They send 2 Myanmar workers to touch up but dropped the paint everywhere.
6.We were asked to take vacant possession of the said house but delayed for 3 months before we could pay the light and water deposit.
7 Bath room tiles were broken and not replaced.
8. Tap heads, stop cock and faucets stolen and took a long time to replace. Reason – no spare parts.
9. Faulty aluminum sliding glass door lock -takes time to repair.
10. Rubber lining for the glass door in master bedroom keep on coming out despite putting it back several times. It just pop out.
Considering the sufferings we had to endure and the untold miseries we had undergone, perhaps house buyers should form an action committee with laison with the Consumers Association of Penang and House Buyers Association in this regard. I had to spend a fortune repairing the leak toilets as each time the workers come, nothing had been done. How long have I to wait? What if the feces overflowed?
Also house buyers have to patrol the area voluntarily as there are 2 guys making several rounds surveying the area on motorcycle. There are break ins in some houses and petty thefts. The drug addicts break in the houses to smoke drugs there. I had already made a report to the Machang Bubok Police station. Best of luck and guard your house well and keep it safe by night and day!
They said that if you point fingers at others, four fingers will be pointing back at you. I do not wish to make wild accusations here without substance or basis. As proof of the incompetence or green horn foreign workers please document the repairs if you have a video camera of how they “doctor” your roof. They have the habit to borrow ladder to climb the roof, without which they will climb the balcony and start walking from house to house. After one or two rounds on the roof for “so called inspection” they will come down and said no cracks or leak found. Some times they miss step and there is a crack sound on the tiles which make it worse. You can watch their antics like a “fiddler on the roof”.
Some times they swung open all the gates with the padlock still intact but nobody repairing anything there and the workers no where to be seen. One day they do touch up painting near the balcony and I went back. Within fifteen minutes I came back and they were surprised and startled as they didn’t expect me to come back so soon. They were lazing around and enjoying themselves in the balcony and doing nothing. Within half an hour they disappeared. The painting is half painted and drops of paint on the floor and iron railings.
All these “main wayang” is part of their modus operandi. My old pail which I put at the porch to collect rain water to wash my hands as there was no tap water available at that point in time was stolen by them. The next day I found my pail 2 doors away in my neighbors house used for mixing cement. They couldn’t afford to buy even a pail let alone a ladder. They even got the cheek to borrow a tile cutter from my contractor which they refused to lend them. The painter cum mosaic or tile layer repaired my friends broken tiles, the next day he got a shock and awe as the tile had a depression or sunken. Just like the Malay proverb, “Saperti tikus membaiki labu”. Be careful of the 2 young boys/men (Myanmar) sent by the developer to trouble shoot your defects in the house. My gut feel says that by the look of them, I have no confidence in them as they are unskilled workers as they come here to “cari makan”. Where are the skilled Malaysian workers?
Thank God my septic tank problem solved. The bulldozer or JCB came yesterday and dug up about 6 to 7 feet deep near the back lane. There was no connecting pipe from the septic tank to the main hole. The workers are not afraid of shit or feces but the foul smelling poisonous gas emitting from the ground pipes. A 10 feet pipe was placed at the angle of 45 degrees to connect the septic tank to the main hole. I was wondering why there is no quality control to check first before closing the the main hole. Maybe lack of supervision to oversee this problem. Please check your septic tank to ensure no blockage otherwise your house would be flooded with water with shit floating on it like a swimming pool in your kitchen and hall.
Luckily, we have a back lane where the bulldozer can work on it , if you are staying in a cluster house, the whole house will smell of shit. Always buy a house with a back lane. If you buy a Semi D or bungalow with no back lane how is the bulldozer going to repair the septic tank in case it was blocked?
My joy of staying in a new house turns to sorrow with multiple defects, ranging from roof leaks, water tank leaks, ceiling leaks, toilet leaks, tiles broken, septic tank 10 feet pipe joining to the main hole missing and now leak in the car porch. The underground water plastic pipe is concealed in the ground covered with grass. Maybe poor quality pipes were used, as it could not stand pressure. It is blue in colour and the imitation blue plastic or PVC pipe maybe not ABS standard or SIRIM Approved. Not even 2 years “bocor”.
The house is nice with good location and price is reasonable when compared with other developers, but the quality is doubtful. There is no quality control and lack of supervision. There must be a clerk of works, site supervisor or a “mandor” to oversee building works and make sure poor quality materials are not used.
I feel sore to see so many defects. I bought this house with hard earned money with sweat and tears saved for 35 years and not easy money from Empat Nombor Ekor.
I tested again at the water pipe leak at the car porch. It leaks when the water supply is opened. I was told ABS water pipe cannot be used underground as it decompose with the soil with cracks and puncture holes. The best water pipes are ,stainless steel, copper pipes, aluminum pipes, PVC pipes and lastly unreliable ABS blue water pipe.
I hope they will change the leak pipe with black PVC pipe which is hardy and lasting instead of ABS pipe. ABS cannot be used underground.
What I don’t understand is, why there is no quality control and procurement of quality pipes, cement, tiles that affect balcony and roofing. There should be checks and balances. When asked why it leaks, the answer is always the sub-con. Sub con this and sub-con that, no wonder it is substandard. No one seems to take responsibility for short comings. What cannot be seen or buried underground is difficult to repair and requires major work. Inferior quality products that can be seen or exposed can easily be changed. Please check your septic tank and fill it up with water to the brim, if water never go down, that means it is blocked. Water pipes embedded in the grass at the car porch should be watched for leaks when you turn on the water supply.
Water tank upstairs should be watched for leaks, the valve and floating ball mechanism is at fault or needs adjustment. Cement plaster stains in the ceiling is an indication of leaks. Check your bathroom for leaks due to inadequate cement at the bottom, mostly sand, so water seeps through as there is poor water proofing.
The water leaked underground when water supply is opened and the green earth wire was dangling and not fixed properly to the ground. It is difficult to see this as it is covered with soil and grass. To add insult to injury the earth wire seemed to be joined together maybe the wire is too short. The developer only make houses but in case of defects they heap the blame on sub- con. Surely there must be supervision and not let sub-con to do the work as they like. If they dig my care porch to repair my leaking pipes, I hope they will put cement and original red cement imprint and waxed the cement.
This reminds me when I was given a task to install a three way radio communication to a fleet of ambulances. The Vendor tried to fool me by fixing a second hand old antenna. Since it is a new set, I insists it should be new, otherwise I wont sign the job completion form and report the matter. I watched him do the wiring (though he might not like it) properly according to Standard Operating Procedures. My conscience tells me that it is my duty of care to see job done properly for the benefit of the public in case of emergency and also to protect tax payers money.
In this context, I am buying a new house not a second hand house. If it is a minor defect it is understandable but when you have problems one after another it makes you worried sick.
I told you guys already right about buying houses from this developer.
But, you insist cheap house leh. But, cheap house (though 390K leh) must be also properly constructed ma and able-to-stay condition ma.
Anyway, looks like Tribunal and/or HBA is the answer for now. Good Luck. I sympathy with those buyers.
Most people buy Alyssa due to its location, spaciousness, freehold with individual titles,
and nice design with back lane. There is no house in front which makes it easier to park cars. It is a quiet area with schools and infrastructure. Quality wise, they are the lowest of the low. No nobody seems to take responsibility except blame the Sub- con. Come on! where are the supervisors, overseer, and clerk of works or site supervisor? To stay in Alyssa you have to overhaul the whole house, inadequate electricity points, renovate kitchen, attend to leaks in the bathroom, balcony, aluminum doors and windows, ceiling, roof, broken tiles, plumbering, water tank leaks, and hall or the car porch water pipes leaks. Even the doors are made of joined rubber wood or chips of mixed wood.
Earth wire dangling and not joint to earth which makes it dangerous. Some earth wire were joined not the whole length it is short so they joined the wire and bury it underground.. Sewage pipes missing which will make human feces floating like a swimming pool to your kitchen and hall . The latest I heard from neighbors… leaks from underground pipes in the main hall. Looks like you have to remove floor tiles to fix to the leakages. You have to spend a fortune to attend to these before you move in.
This is not about quality control but BIG construction error, negligence from developer and its contractor lah. However, I’m amazed that you can still feel lucky that your house has a backlane for bulldozer to come in by perli those cluster, Semi D, bungalow house ! My friend, those cluster, Semi D, bungalow houses manhole is not at the backlane lah (no road ma) but at the side garden or car porch or somewhere else where no need bulldozer lah. But, I am very sure those developers whom build cluster, Semi D, bungalow houses will not as BIG negligence as this developer lah. Now, you know why so long time cannot get CCC and OC ?
If what you’ve said is negligence on the part of the developer can we sue the developer for the pain and sufferings we have to endure and the flooding of the house. I took photos of the digging of the back lane and installation of the pipe. Even the tar that was covered was so superficial that it got washed by the rain the next day.
I got pissed off with the contractor worker who wants to borrow electricity to repair broken tiles in the neighborhood. The house they want to repair have installed electricity but do not now how to connect the wires. I told them they cannot get everything FREE because I pay for the electricity. They have thew habit of borrowing ladder, pails, Makita power tools, tiles cutter etc. and now got the cheek to borrow electricity as though the company cannot provide for them. They come to repair your house often empty handed.
Sue them individually take too long time and costly too.
Complain them to House Tribunal, HBA, MPSP, KPKT officially as united purchasers not just the house’s defects but also the supporting infrastructures (like manhole, sewerage, road tar, drainage, etc, etc).
If there is any bodily injury such as shorted due to their ungrounded, unconnected earth wire, or due to other construction issues, then sue them.
@ Spiderman, if all house buyers are united in this issue, we will see justice done and seen to be done. Since taking over vacant possession of the said premises there was no provision of installation of light and water for about 3 months. By right , if taking over vacant possession the house should be in tenable repair with all the plumbing and tap head fixed but it was none. Within that three months is it not sufficient time for the developers to rectify the defects such as repair leaking roof, leaking pipes, leaking bathroom, leaking balcony etc. Does it take 3 months to repair leaking roof? Nobody did any house renovation within the stipulated time due to no electricity and water. I complained about leaking roof and they said there was no leak. Now the plaster ceiling cracked open due to soaked rain water and in no time will collapse on some body’s head. It was dripping with water. Photos taken.
Worse still, no action taken when some tap head got no water, the foreign worker came and see but went off without a doing anything but he was grumbling that the developer did not pay them for doing the repair job.
The developer cannot absolve the liability to make good the repair. According to Occupational Safety and Health Act, can anyone enlightened me of earth wire can be joined by an adhesive tape? Even the beam at the top of the staircase was removed because it was too low that can hit the forehead when climbing the staircase and this was replaced by putting a bean on the wall of master bedroom.
Is it negligent on the part of the developer if the sewage pipe was missing and not connected to the main hole? causing overflow of water and feces to the kitchen and hall?
To all house purchasers, united we stand, divided we fall. Please take pictures as evidence.
May justice be done.
Is jumping from balcony to balcony without permission by the foreign workers considered as trespassing of private property?
@whkh
May the force be with you to combat the evil developer.
The only thing for evil to triumph is when good men do nothing. One person can’t move mountains. For those who wait and see and couldn’t be bothered to move in or check the condition of the house will be in for a rude shock when the expiry of repairs is terminated. They will jump like prawns in the frying pan. Then we will have our last laugh.
Some neighbors have leaks from the water pipes in the hall and they are digging the tiles to repair the pipes. Some walls at the partition were wet. That’s when some neighbors detected “hollow” tiles as there is not much cement in it and it was subsequently replaced.
The “hot spring” (burst or leaking main pipes) at the corner house was repaired by team of people with bulldozer to plug the leakage. Not only water pipes inside and outside the house leaking…..even the road outside the house was not spared.
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