Ramah Pavilion
Ramah Pavilion, an affordable housing development by M Summit Group in Teluk Kumbar, Penang. It is located next to Puspakom Teluk Kumbar, a mere minutes drive from Teluk Kumbar town center via Jalan Teluk Kumbar.
This development comprises 759 affordable units in two blocks of 36 & 38-storey building. It will also comes with wide range of facilities, which includes swimming pools, sky gym, jacuzzi, children water slides, barbecue area and more.
Selling Price (inclusive of 1 car parking lot):
READ MORE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING:
- Eligibility and the requirement of buying affordable housing
- Full list of affordable housing in Penang
For registration details, you may refer to http://erumah.penang.gov.my/
Property Name: Ramah Pavilion
Location : Teluk Kumbar, Penang
Property Type : Affordable housing development
Total Units: 759
Built-up Area: 800 sq.ft. – 1,355 sq.ft.
Developer : M Summit Group
Register your interest here or contact the developer directly for more details
Location Map:
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@milo
maintenance fee RM254 per month!? if compare with other consider cheap or expensive?
sorry, i am new and currently still not sure whether want to take the offer or not…..
maintenance fee
RM298 for type A
RM275 for type B
RM254 for type C
RM231 for type D
RM209 for type E
RM176 for type F
??
If retirement no extra income then will become not affordable….?
maintenance fee
RM298 for type A
RM275 for type B
RM254 for type C
RM231 for type D
RM209 for type E
RM176 for type F
??
If retire no extra income then will become not affordable….?
@son of god
I tried again to log on to erumah but still the same…
@bt
I oso same as u.
Previously I was very excited wen I get the offer.
But after calculating here n there n my own commitments, I become doubtful
To accept or reject. Dilemma.
Hi all,
Last time i sign the snp, it stated that the maintenance charges is RM2.00 per sqm. which is equivalent to RM0.1858 per sq. ft. together with sinking fund (10% of maintenance charges) is RM2.20 per sqm. which is equivalent to RM0.2043.
@rene
Just now went Teluk Kumbar, the location really far….plus the main road is narrow and must be careful turn right out from R.Pavilion to main road especially my wife driving skill not good….
Need to response to R.Pavilion within this few days whether accept or reject…
Buy maybe regret in future, reject maybe regret in future…?
Anyone know whether we still have 2nd and 3rd chance for affordable house if reject the 1st offer?
@BT
last time i also dilemma about reject or not due to location, but after reconsidering, hmm…although a bit far, hope the msummit developer is worth and good interm of management, maintenance, and also developing nice ramah.
@tay
Hope that area can develop well in future.
May I know you bought type A? B? or C?
No concern regarding maintenance fee for RP?
I didn’t survey but they said The Golden Triangle maintenance fee <RM200? Lower than RP?
Did anyone of you received call from m summit regarding the upgrading package? Do we need to call them directly to confirm the upgrading package?
Sinking fund is normal for fee for apartment and condo. And the maintenance fee is 0.185 per sqft. You may google sinking fund
@milo You may refer to this to better understand what sinking fund is about.
http://www.apartmentowners.ie/knowledge-library/what-is-a-sinking-fund/
@BT,
Yes I also worried I will regret if reject.
But just FYI, I was told that we are given 3 chances, meaning if you reject once you still got 2 chances.
I have a friend of mine, they afford her Butterworth area last two years, she rejected then last year they offered her again.
But well, this is also depend on our lucks.
So, we really need to made the decision without regret.
By when do we need to inform to MSummit reject/accept?
@Rene
Yes, 3 chances
Just now 1st time login to erumah Penang, did mention we are given 3 chances.
I think we can reject by click icon “Tolak Tawaran” in erumah website or direct contact msummit.
But other than R.Pavilion, One Foresta and The Clovers, do you know any other new affordable housing project nearest Bayan Lepas/Bayan Baru area in future?
@BT
I do not know why I could not log on to erumah. Keep show error page wen I put in my uc n password.
At this moment, I do not know any future project nearby bayan baru/bayan lepas.
Need to keep follow up the news from time to time.
@BT
type b i get..
your?
everybody hoping for a better developer ..hopefully msummit is..
@rene
Maybe retry login tongiht or tomorrow early morning?
After view the show room, feel better if is true in future the road going to expand from airport until in front of R. Pavilion…?
I though only expand from airport until Pavilion Resort? Anyone can confirm?
And Yang Cheng school opposite of R. Pivilion?
Next concern is maintenance fee, is it possible request reduce to below RM200?
Ideal property project at Relau maintenance fee is RM198 for 1100sqft and above (of course the housing price higher), why R.Pavilion maintenance fee higher? affordable house must provide affordable facilities/maintenance fee right? not all owner will enjoy the facilities especially people like me…
Wow, if maintenance fee+sinking fund is 0.185 or 0.205 still can consider to apply. If is 0.22 is too expensive, first house buyer living affordable house only….how can afford to pay such a high maintenance fee? Buy type A/B1 even need to pay close to RM300 maintenance fee.
Old condo like pearl garden(with swimming pool), 1000sqft++ maintenance fee <rm130 & new condo like Ideal 1-World (no swimming pool), 1000sqft++ maintenance fee is <rm150.
Yes, Ramah Pavilion is cheaper&worth if compared to market price but the maintenance fee is so expensive compared to market price. How can afford paying such a high maintenance fee after paying monthly instalment? I agree with Satia, to take off swimming pool to bring down the maintenance fee. Else, will be like citizen in Japan, able to buy car but not able to pay monthly car park charge; able to buy Ramah Pavilion but not able to pay monthly maintenance fee. Why Komtar side only control affordable house pricing but no control maintenance fee charges?
Anyone can share the maintenance fee+sinking fund of One Foresta and The Clovers? Cheaper or same or more expensive?
@pg l
This evenining I did wrote and suggest R.Pavilion owner to request reduce maintenance fee but wonder why my comment dissappear?
Someone/admin delete my comment?
I still not yet decide to buy R. Pavilion or not because of high maintenance fee and trafic concern (Too far and the road is narrow).
If all owner unite possible to request reduce maintenance fee?
By the way, anyone can confirm road widen project from airport until in front of R. Pavilion or only from airport until Pavilion Resort?
@BT
After comment#18 then only appear my early post #16.
I think propertytalk website issue…?
Anyway, anyone can advice?
Thks.
Yes agree with u, if all owner unite possible to request reduce maintenance fee, but hard to make all owner to unite. Maybe some ppl think 0.22++ is affordable?
I may request my family to give up due to just discover the maintenance fee is much more expensive than normal condo(project not controlled by government). Because maintenance fee will only go up but will never decrease. Instalment is to pay maximum 35years only or can settle earlier when able, but maintenance fee is forever need to pay(if we no sell the unit), even after we gone, our grand son & grand grand son also need to pay high fee.
High maintenance fee also may cause some house owner give up to pay in half way. When this happen, the cleanliness, facility & security will become worst.
By the way, road widen project until in front of Krystal Home(before platinumIII, even before Sekolah Kebangsaan Sungai Batu,Teluk Kumbar, also before Haoyou sea food), RP is further down. Buy my concern is not road&traffic, can travel far a bit if house is worth, what to worry is high maintenance fee.
@pg l
I have to disagree with you removing facilities. RM is meant to be a condo class project with full facilities. It wouldn’t make sense to remove facilities as this would downgrade RM to a normal apartment. For your question on other projects, Clovers would have equal or higher fees as it is also sharing condo class facilities.
If the concern is on paying for more facilities, I would recommend you that consider the other affordable housing projects like Cheliah or Foresta. They have lower facilities and higher density and thus require lower mgmt fees for the long term.
Its not really an issue of controlling the fees. It depends what is the minimum to keep the condo running smoothly, certainly you don’t want your security and lifts to start failing etc because of lack of funds. For a condo to be a successful and pleasant for you, its best if you pick the type that meets your financial means.
Maintenance fee is collected to maintain the facilities. Like what bob59 said, it is important to keep the place running smoothly and in good condition. Furthermore, buyer buy the property knowing what are the facilities available.
If you wanna reduce the number of facilities, the developer has to resubmit drawings all. and what happen to those who bought the place becoz they want the facilities.
If maintenance is too high, then you seriously have to consider other place and cant expect the place to change to cater to you.
@pg l
I choose this place because of facilities and i think the maintenance fee is acceptable for me. If you think rm 2xx is expensive. Pls choose lower size so that your maintenance is cheaper or you can choose to buy old place u mentioned With low maintenance fee. you have to see ramah provided 20 plus type of facilities. my friend house is u garden, completed in 1998. Their maintenance fee is only rm100 with swimming pool. But their maintenance fee didn’t go up for the last 17 years but they have high density around 400plus units and that is why the maintenance is cheap. And currently I’m living with my parent and the maintenance is rm90 without any facilities Only have lift and 24hours guard house (Not even cctv) but it is a low density only 152 units. it’s very easy u want cheap maintenance, is either u choose apartment or choose high density condo or smaller size condo.
And for ppl who don’t use the facilities much why in the first place u choose condo.
Go choose other affordable housing like chelliah (the rise) or duo redensi (by pdc) opposite ramah pavillion. Why go and burden your self to think if this is not what u want.
Your price is before GST, after GST, actual price as below:
RM298 for type A RM 316.0
RM275 for type B RM 291.5
RM254 for type C RM 269.4
RM231 for type D RM 244.9
RM209 for type E RM 221.5
RM176 for type F RM 186.6
Developer will not earn the maintenance fee as they will hand over the maintenance to be managed by third party after 1or2 years OC pass.
Developer will build & provide as much facility as possible which can compete with other condo project due to this is their 1st high tower project, they need public to know that they are capable in builing high building as well. This is good in term of advertisement but some affordable house buyer like lower income family may suffer, those higher income will enjoy as can enjoy condo level facility
@BT
Still could not log in.
I called Komtar bhgn perumahan just now.
They said system show I’m still in waiting list.
But MSummit already gave me the offer letter. Confusing.
Anyway, I decided to reject this offer.
Same like u, Im not tthose that will fully utilize the facility.
And the maintenance fee is a burden add on to my monthly installment.
In 30yrs the total maintenance fee I pay will become 80k.
So I will give this chance to other ppl and wait for the next one whereby there is not so many facility hence lowermaintenance fee.
Nice chatting with u here tho!
Haha….
I think not all owner want to enjoy the facilities? But force to take and no choice and force to pay maintenance fee
To be fair, why not those want to enjoy facilities like swimming pool, gym etc pay per entry? outsiders want to enjoy the facilities must escort by owner and pay per entry.
Lift and security is needed for all owner, then all owner need/must to pay for those necessary facilities.
759units * RM200(assume flat rate for maintenance fee) = RM151800
Mthly maintenance fee for all facilities worth for this amount?
Can’t <RM150? If below RM150 no need headache to think more whether buy or not.
Hi,
I am okiee with the maintenance fees with all those facilities. As Ramahrian, i think is good if we are united and ensure all our facilities and environment at good condition rather than reduce here and there “If we take care all those, our house price can rise faster hahaha good profit!”. Just ensure what we pay for is equal what we gain from it. Just for information as i went to office last saturday, they mentioned that
1. the land is not that low and i feel should not be any flood issue.
2. There is no rubish disposal area at each floor, so it is ramahrian responsible to take care the rubish disposal area “hmm typical malaysian HAHAHAHA”
3. There will be different securities card for each block.
4. if you add addition 2 car, you can request that 2 car park side by side at higher floor
5. If you stay below 11th floor, your car park is side by side
For the upgrading package, the concern is the quality of the plastic ceiling and wiring quality?
Power rating of power plug cos some plug may use for high power appliance like heater?…
The aircond plug power rating, how much horse power it can support?
For me i prefer to see my house condition first so i am not taking any upgrading package ^.^
Thanks
The clovers maintenance fee is RM0.18 per sf. But the facilities more high class. You can see the video by below links:
https://www.facebook.com/TheClovers.Penang/videos/vb.486408301452051/671914302901449/?type=2&theater
With same price, definitely Clovers is more worth!
@BT
i do agree with u. if around RM150 to RM200 per month should be fine as this is affordable house and this is a high dense condo instead of a low dense one. over 700 units.even the maintenance fees doesnt seems affordable to me too. i hope msummit do lower down the maintenance fees to around 15cents or so.
18cents is more towards normal condo in bayan lepas or bayan baru area.
@Lol
how can you take over 1M condo to compare with afforable home? not everyone same like you can buy
Agreed! developer can’t even earn through the maintenance fee. they only manage the maintenance during the first year, after they pass to the new committee members, if you all don’t like 20cents per sqft, then you all can reduced from 20cents to 10cents after the first year!
@^.^
No, according to rule stated by penang state government for those who buy these affordable house: after 5year bonding, these house only can sell to first hand buyer too, which mean can only sell to the documented proven low income family. When the low income buyer heard that they need to pay rm220-rm320 maintenance fee monthly, direct escape without second thought to buy, so it is low resale value.
And it is hard to rent out the unit also unless you absorbs the maintenance fee yourself. Apartment around sungai batu & apartment near to Krystal home only can rent out rm500-rm750 for whole unit. If it is not for own stay, who want to travel further down to puspakom & rent RP which is so high maintenance fee?If they willing to travel down to rent there, they can choose duo residence or LC flat which both will be built opposite of RP only, why pay more when it is just renting purpose? It is true a 5 star hotel is building upto >level15 now, seems like those business men estimated teluk kumbar will be developed. But no matter how, there will be definitely no university or factory like FIZ will be developed into teluk kumbar area, so least potential that university student, fresh grad & working adult will come to this up town to rent a high maintenance fee condo. Other than pavilion resort, there are plenty of high tower condo & terrace house will build surrounding platinumIII which is located at the end of road that will be widen, ppl will choose to rent here instead of puspakom there.
So it is definitely low investment return. RP only suit own stay & for those who can pay higher maintenance fee to enjoy facility
What about the shops (groud floor) advertised in their brochure?. rent out by developer?.. will there be a standard on what shop can be there. ?
Donet tell put Mamak shop or pisang goreng shop .
Item#4-the day msummit staff told me random location for 2 car park?they said cant request car park side by side? Double standard?
no offend, I’m not afford for RM200++ maintenance fee but enforce to pay if buy RP.
In my dream – those want to enjoy swimming pool, gym etc pay more, those don’t want to enjoy pay less and not allow go for swimming, gym etc. Fair ?enough..:)
@mother god
No you are wrong. After 5 years can sell to public. Within 5 years you only can sell to listed first time buyer.
@zoe
Since developer can’t earn through the maintenance fee. Why not they set the maintenance fees to be low starting from first year, so that after developer pass the maintenance to 3rd party, the maintenance fee will not increase again. As normally price will only go up & will hardly go down, just like GST is impossible to be cancelled, just like when mee goreng in mamak stall is rm5.50, the price will never go back to rm5.
If developer can consider reducing the maintenance fee, they can attract buyer to sold off all their units asap without need to do road show & show house. Reducing price also shows that it is customer care and really doing something goods which return to the society.
The developer wish to do well as this is their first high tower project, social media will help to publish their news Free Of Charge as well, as its related to state government project which the purpose is to help low medium income family to own a house. If the maintenance fees is ady 0.20 for affordable house, how much will the maintenance fees be for their 2nd, 3rd on wards high tower project–which is not affordable house.
And doesn’t mean the own committee members will protect other residents when there are benefit can earn around like duit kopi.
you all very complicated! why not you phone their office or go to their office to ask straight rather than questioning here and there?
@????
Don’t worry, already ask.
Answer is they need to maintain “high end” and good quality facilities.
That why posting here and there….:)
If 50% of owner unite to request better than 1person to request?
I’m not the owner yet coz still not yet pay 10K for ballot…:)
@BT
@????
Ya, that is y we r posting here hopefully future buyer & developer can hear our voice.
And also to make more ppl notice this and making fellow owner unite to request
Developer need to collect sufficient maintenance fees to maintain the area. Otherwise, if poorly maintained, developer will face problem handing over the entire estate to the strata management later on. from my past exp, after developer hand over to the management, maintenance fee will never reduce and most likely to maintain for a while.
I have seen developers absorbing the maintenance fees until it is officially hand over to management. But then again, it is all priced into the purchase price.
For those who suggest pay to use facilities, that will never work in a condo concept. Imagine if unable to collect sufficient funds to maintain the facilities, then how… dont maintain? if no maintenance, the value of your ppty will depreciate a lot.
One will need to pay maintenance as it is agreed upon by buyer and seller in the S&P. if maintenance is too high for you, it is then a consideration to consider other ppty.
@ko
Totally agreed your statement and advise.
But we are not afford to buy other property that why we aim this.
Beside, why other property maintenance fee <RM200 or <RM150 with less units?
Is it because lower quality of their facilities?
For those that enjoy the facilities will find it worth.
And I agree that everybody should pay maintenance fee to upkeep the facilities within the apartment.
But reason I apply for affordable home is mainly of my financial ability.
I would prefer an affordable maintenance fee as well.TBH I reli love RP , I tried very hard to get the offer. So actually I’m very sad to reject it oso.
But we got to buy what is affordable by us, our needs.
Anyone know what is the procedure to reject the offer? Just call to MSummit to reject?
Anyone that rejected before can pls advice. Thanks.
Maybe becoz lesser facilities? I seen my previous condo maintenance breakdown. the higher expense item are cleaning and swimming pool. Some other notable expenses are landscape. M&E maintenance is still ok.
The amount collected may be in excess to maintain the property. However, developers/mgmt will usually prefer to collect more in the early days to ensure they have some savings in case they need to spend later on.
After the first strata meeting, u will need to see the expenditures and decide if wanna vote to contribute more or less or remain the same monthly maintenance later on.
Maintenance is a cost. Especially in a guarded with facitlities property. One seriously need to consider if such lifestyle (enjoying the facilities) is what they seek. Nice to have. If the place meets all your other requirement, then have to bear the cost lor. I always believe there is no perfect property.. give and take. lol
“TBH I reli love RP , I tried very hard to get the offer. So actually I’m very sad to reject it oso.” This is what i truly feel too, as personally i believe ramah pavilion is much more better than foresta & clovers, but really not afford to pay the high maintenance fee. Sad!!
I heard from msummit staff told that they will not refund full amount, penalty will be given like deduct your money. And they will cooperate with komtar side to disqualify you from buying any affordable house in the future or at least in recent years
@mother god
crazy maintenance fees..
i cnt afford tht high fees..
voice out to ramah developer..
@rene
oso happy chatting with all of you even no chance under same roof
my suggestion to you is do not reject, just wait unless you are ok for one foresta or the clovers, i guess state government next and 3rd offer is one foresta and the clovers.
Maybe i will reject R. Pavilion, but i just afraid if 2nd and 3rd offer is 1 foresta and the clovers, then no more chance for me coz i think not afford and not prefer 1 foresta and the clovers, more expensive and crowded….just my opinion.
Sorry for those waiting list….
I think they just “entertain” you.
i also yet to receive letter from state government but msummit show me letter from state government as proof, my name in the list.
you better login and set your own password in erumah asap coz if not mistaken, no TAC require to create login password etc, just key in your IC# to “login page” for first time login.
same with you, afford and accept for housing price but not afford for maintenance fee – nee to pay forever and maybe increase in future…
I think you are mislead by msummit, they will give full refund (10K) if loan rejected, this is what they told me, unless they are cheating me?
And i believe they tried to threaten you to buy RP, pls try login to erumah own account – “Maklumat Rayuan”clearly mention that got 3 chances for affordable housing project.
@T_T
Ya, really tried very hard and used a lot of time n energy.
But in the end can’t afford to buy it. Maintenance fee is lifetime. So I will wait.
U paid the deposit? Did u get the refund?
@BT
Your erumah show ur status as berjaya? Mine still show senarai menunggu.
Anyway I think they have dateline for give your answer.
Wen they required u to pay the deposit?
I think RP has dateline to give answer.
@yumi
Pls post here if got good news, good news is developer decide to reduce maintenance fee to <RM150… haha….
Then I will proceed to pay 10K for ballot…..haha….i think i'm dreaming.
to all those concerned about the maintenance fee, even tamak kumbar permai apartment nearby to khuntai is charging RM 100. they only have 1 swimming pool and nothing else.
So it makes sense for ramah to charge more since u have full condo facilities. if maintenance fee too low how u expect to maintain condo standard?. this project is like an affordable condo. and seriously its really good for personal stay. not for renting out.
@BT
when you received the news ? you already qualify to buy?
This is just an affordable house project but equipped with condo facilities. However I decided to reject the offer as I am not afford to pay such high maintenance fee. Just imagine if got some residents do not pay the maintenance fee after few years, how can those condo facilities able to be properly maintained even I continue to make the monthly payment? I believe most of the buyers come from low medium/ medium income household like me. No point for me to bear such high maintenance fee just to enjoy condo facilities, I rather go outside to buy an actual condo if I’m afford.
@trex
what u r saying is true. RM100 for a swimming pool is cheaper than rp. and rp have like more 23 facilities.wow.
but u need to think of something. no matter how much they facilities they have and will had, this is an affordable house unit which means those applying doesnt have much to spare. will i even get rp if i got extra? will i buy so much inner into teluk kumbar and why not at bayan baru or bayan lepas if i got extra?
and mind u, how much is 250++ for u? it is almost 30% of my housing loan. sad to say that i cant afford to pay this amount. yes, i am from a poor family and i cant have more than 70 of my meager salary dump in a house. at least reduce to a total RM200 or lesser. which is the max i can afford.
if affordable house maintenance fees need to be the same as those full condo facilities outside, why should it be called as affordable house instead?
the available car park for other condo is 2 while this is only 1. this is if u wan to compare an affordable house towards a normal condo.
nonsence topics with the maintenance fees. try and think about it, how many sqft house are you purchasing? and what is the purchase price? the price is much more lower compared to other affordable houses outside. if you calculate for long term. only for those who can foresee the future will enjoy staying here.
For those who does not want to buy and want to reject, please do so by informing the developer as they are a lot of people in the waiting list wanting to buy this project. Thanks
@nonsence
sadly to say we are those meager earning workers that can afford this affordable house but not the maintenance which is near the price of the non affordable condo.
The attitude of msummit towards customer’s voice & comment is IGNORance.
Like mountain will not move, just continue to do what they planned before.
Yet so LC asking customer to out if not able to pay the maintenance fee
it is called affordable because for the same size and facilities you would have to pay maybe more than 800K +++ for a unit.
If i can get a normal condo for the same size and facilities as ramah for 300K to 400K then i would. but it is impossible in Penang right?. thats why this project is called affordable. because i cant afford 800K condo with full condo facilities.
btw 800K is just an assumption. nothing to harp on that number
@Haiz
Actually they never ask customer to out if not able to pay the maintenance fees
they only gv some advice to customer and ask them think before confirm to take the house or not and calculate the fees for them.
look like you just wanna bring some topic to continue about RP maintenance problem…
i have a few question that i m curious about the answer.
1.maintenance problem need to be sort after no matter wat. we need to know if it can be at least reduce as for it is too an affordable house unit.
2.how many % did sign the s&p for now? 30% was stated last time in the newspaper.now?as some did mention there are still a lot in the waiting list. so wat is the reason of those applying? cant get the loan?
for example, if the person cant get a loan or barely just got the loan, how would they even get the money to pay the maintenance fees? i have waited for more than 10 years just to acquire a unit from komtar which msummit. but i m just scare that i will not be able to pay the maintenance fees. if msummit is kind enough to reduce the maintenance fees so that future house owner will be able to bear the price. we, house owner will be truly grateful.
cheers.
p/s:but for the reply of some users which seems to be from msummit. the maintenance is fair price and will not be reduce. please kindly consider to reduce it. it will shred off some burden of the 1st time buyer as well as to built a name towards msummit to taking care of their customers. TQVM.
No, before i pay down payment, i have asked different staff from msummit for several times about how much to pay monthly. Their answer is uncertain, telling it will be 18-20cent. They dont clearly informed it is either 0.18 or 0.20cent, they like to say 0.18 to 0.20, why say the word “to”? They are staff selling RP, they dont have confidence to tell exact amount? Purpose to hide or they are blur blur dont know doing what?
Why dont want to say it is 0.2043 after including sinking fund & before GST? 0.1800 & 0.2000 is much more different than 0.2043 after this value need to x1000!(even huge different after x759unit house).
I asked for so many times but none of them mentioning about hidden pay like sinking fund+GST. I am first hand buyer, I don’t know there is sinking fund. I admit i am careless for not noticing it was stated in SNP as i was so excited that i can get a unit from RP, i notice it after i saw the post from milo. The fees they calculated to show me also didn’t include sinking fund+GST. I am from poor family, the maintenance fees is already 15-20% of my monthly instalment. How my children are going to survive after i pay all fees for this house?
M Summit should clearly state all the cost in their advertisement. sometimes they are blur.
Residential places Maintenance is exempted from GST. Please dun scare ppl with GST
@Haiz
is 0.18 sen… will wrote in your snp
@penang 1
It’s not 0.18.
I just sign SPA last weekend, it stated that the maintenance charges is RM2.00 per sqm. which is equivalent to RM0.1858 per sq. ft. together with sinking fund (10% of maintenance charges) is RM2.20 per sqm. which is equivalent to RM0.2043.
for me I’m Type B so the maintenance is RM 255.375.
Please remember no GST ( GST exempted from Residential )
Source: http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/02/25/Maintenance-fees-no-GST/
Yeah, i believe The Clovers and the rest also have “Sinking Fund” seem like is a must for Condo style?
But with SnP signed, i don’t think they give a damn shit. Unless those haven’t help out and drag the SnP for this project?LOL….
Maintanance Fee for my Type-D, 98 sqmetre x RM2.00 = RM196
Sinking fund = Maintanance * 10% = ~RM215
That’s why, The Clovers are better in some way, but u get to choose right? Bigger Size/Location/Maintenance Fee etc etc…. hard to expect all came together with such “Affordable” price right?
@PiPiPaPiPu
The clovers:
900sf rm400k = maintenance fee: 0.20/sqft, confirmed included sinking fund&GST
1foresta:
900sf rm350k 2car park = maintenance fee: rm121 monthly, confirmed included sinking fund&GST
@zoe2
Ramah Pavilion:
950sf rm268k 1car park = maintenance fee: rm193.95 monthly including sinking fund, GST not yet confirmed but management whether charge or not
The clovers:
900sf rm400k = maintenance fee: 0.20/sqft, confirmed included sinking fund&GST
1foresta:
Or package lesser renovation + 1 car park: 900sf rm300k = maintenance fee: rm121 monthly, confirmed included sinking fund&GST
Ramah Pavilion:
950sf rm268k 1car park = maintenance fee: rm193.95 monthly including sinking fund, GST not yet confirmed but management whether charge or not
problem about maintenance fees nw..
headache..
TRI-PINNACLE:
800sqft, 0.22/sqft, =RM176 sinking fund included.
Sinking fund is a must for Condo/Apartment. It’s like emergency fund.
The two golden rules of sinking funds are:
* No matter how bad your finances are, you must have one. You’ll regret it down the road if you don’t.
* No matter how good the sinking fund is doing, resist the temptation to spend it on low priority projects. Murphys Law tells you that just after you spend it on new plans or new signs, the roof will blow off and you’ll need it!
Here are a list of things your sinking fund could be spent on. Some of them will require repairs but others could be replaced entirely to give you a better service.
* Fire Alarm System
* Pumps
* Water Tanks
* Rooves
* Guttering repairs
* Re carpeting of common areas
* Painting of common areas
* Repair works to kerbstones, footpaths
hopefully a good management will be plan after house completed.
fully cooperation from residents a must.
Yumi…follow your instinct..dun bother other Royalty folk…even “Affordable unit” the price will still increase in the future..if we keep doubt over here…its on your risk to bet can get “cheaper” project in the future…
i agree maintenance fee is high and we should flag this out to Ramah…
but for those come out with such SELFISH idea…Ex:Charge only those who use it, remove some of the facilities…Please la..go get your own landed house la…
if there are folks with such mindset…i rather pay extra maintenance fee and enforce the security…and block thier card for those who din pay or pay less…
because of ppl like this…there are some high N condo like desa relau 2 end up building a pool to throw rubbish..
@^.^
Why it is not security card for each floor instead of security card for each block?
There are ONLY 2 block in Ramah Pavilion but it is around 38 levels for each block.
M summit used to build terrace house, so they are still at infant stage to build high rise tower? Control the security by floor is an old technology that other fellow developer used since many years back. Charging HIGHER maintenance fees should provide this basic electronic controlled security! If this developer already fail to maintain a basic security system in their first high rise project, how are they going to success the following high rise project?
If swimming pool is a must for some buyer. Providing facility like chalkboard wall & sauna are nonsense. We are not from western country, kids will not listen to only sketch on the board, they will then simply sketch any wall around this building, vandalism everywhere. Sauna highly consumes electricity, Msia don’t have autumn&winter season, we are not from rich family having culture going sauna, really burden the lower income family only.
Security & safety is everything no matter where we stay, this is to protect our children. Rob & steal case doesn’t matter, rape & murder case is what we scare of. Foreign robber break into your house will direct cut ppl to ensure no resist, they will not action like only pointing the knife towards you. These ppl also don’t have extra $ to buy pros service, so they will settle their desire during robbing. RP is outside noisy area which is in quiet environment like villa in half mountain, so to rob here is easier for them to rob downtown.
Fail security fail everything.
Agree~
Worst case is the Developer managing our Condo for 1 Years, then we TOGETHER form a community and kick them out~Managing our own.
If we all these “POOR INCOME” folks stay together, work together, we can always get better/cheaper vendor to get rid of these, or maybe remove some facilities that really not needed (vote/agree by majority)
Meanwhile, we can go to ERUMAH, alarm this maintenance fee issues. No point talk to Ramah, they won’t give a damn.
Got problem, solve it together, not run from it.
By the way, the other Developers, even though the fees might be low for now, they might raise it after right?
For those who aim for Clovers, good luck (Affordable unit is only a few)
For those who aim for Foresta, good luck (Affordable unit is DAMN A LOT)
So many uncertainty here~
Wait until you guys solve all these uncertainty by doubting around here, THE HOUSE PRICING ALSO DOUBLED already~~
Feel happy and thanks for sharing housing price and maintenance fee for one foresta, the clovers, TRI Pinnacle….at least can compare and decide what we want…
Everyone have their own opinion and concern is good to share and open discussion right?
Thanks all for sharing.
Agreed – Those not afford to pay higher maintenance fee are selfish.
But those afford and no problem to pay higher (maybe they feel cheap not higher) maintenance fee and expect those not afford (those not really want to enjoy certain facilities) to pay higher maintenance fee call what? can call selfish?
haha…..just sharing…..
I think what comment by @Mas (comment#56) going to happen in future…..
I think maintenance fee can solve by – initially maintenance fee fix by RM150 or lower, after 1 year increase RM50 reason is high maintenance for high end facilities, another 2 or 3 years increase again for other reason, I think owner can’t do anything because accept so call high end facilities unless sell your house after 5yrs if not afford for high maintenance fee.
Maybe this can help msummit selling their RP in short period…?Maybe after few year owner complaint msummit cheating people but that is another story….
haha…end story of high maintenance of this new launch affordable house….
To those people who think maintenance is high. Dun take this project. Take others. Or buy a 2nd hand house in relau, farlim, elsewhere with cheaper price tag and maintenance.
Like i mentioned earlier take smaller size of RM so that u will have cheaper maintenance.
If you take and cant pay the maintenance, u are ruining people life of those who bought this place for own stay.
For me i like bigger space, and to be honest i wanted to buy platinum 3 @teluk kumbar, 1300sqft too but the condo now is 500k+ And i unable to afford that price. I took type B 1250 @ 368k from this project. U c the price difference of 132k. With amount of money u can do lots of stuff. Legal fee, maintenance, carpark, renovations, etc…
I’m happy that penang government make this affordable housing scheme which allows me to buy condo at affordable price. It has always been a dream for me to stay in condo with all the facilities.
One foresta maintenance is low but the density is high. 2700 units. Imagine how congested it is. Ramah is only 759. 1/3 of the one foresta. Well of course some ppl are fine with high dense, in the end it all depend on individual. Some people like to eat roti canai for breakfast, some like nasi lemak. We all have different taste.
I’m no concern security card for each block even both block but i like your word “Charging HIGHER maintenance fees should provide this basic electronic controlled security!”
I’m agree and support what you mention except security card for each floor.
Cool down cool down…this is open discussion and sharing….why over react?
I’m wonder whether you understand qualification to buy RP or not, I want type D but RP not allow me to take type D. how to solve my problem? begging msummit or state government? haha…
You paid extra 10K to RP…?
Type B is RM358 or RM368?
To own a house is not just downpayment and instalment. There lots of payment u need to settle. electric and water bill, maintenance, Indah water Rm4 per toilet. House fire insurance, Quit rent, Land assessment. so many stuff…. think twice before u commit for a house .
@BT Sorry it’s typo. Yea 358k.
@BT
I also just explaining only not in angry mode. But platinum 3 maintenance is 0.25 higher than here. Lucky i was not able to afford platinum 3. If not i wouldn’t be able to pay for the maintenance for platinum 3.
I only know qualifications is first time buyer And salary below 10,000.
Why RM not allow u take type D?
@BT
u mean u r not approved by komtar side to buy this affordable house yet? Or already get approval but the range is below rm400k or below rm200k one?
@dan
Indah water Rm4 per toilet, House fire insurance, Quit rent, Land assessment. May i know which one is pay monthly & which 1 is pay annually? & what is the estimated price for condo of 1000sf?
Indah water Rm4 per toilet ? annually?
House fire insurance ? RM
Quit rent ? RM
Land assessment ? RM
Actually i’m not qualified for type D – F but qualified for type A – C… clearly mention in their offer letter only eligible for type A – C
Even i’m from poor family, i think still afford, willing and ok to buy type B or C (A sold out and I’m not afford for that price if still got unit) but not afford for maintenance fee, coz maintenance fee is whole life, just afraid I need work until die and can’t enjoy life because need work for money to pay maintenance fee, I know many other afford and ok but not me.
i know people ask why not search other 2nd hand property or etc, tried and I don’t want and not suit for me/my family that why aim affordable house….
Anyway, happy to chatting you all….haha…
Hi,
For my personal opinion, i f not afford to pay for the maintenance fees:
1. Go for low medium cost/low cost or buy a landed at mainland
2. First home doesnt mean you have to stay forever.
3. current market is 0.18 – 0.2 as you can ask around for new condo not old 1
4. What the point arguing reduce this cut that, importance is we have to make sure the ramah management do their job well and add additional securities gadget that can be voice out during meeting AND if management/neighbours allows just built a door in front of lift with the access card. “Things is flexible, just be positive”
5. “Remote and too far”, once the road widening completed it is already late to buy! hahahaha
6. i had reconfirm again with the lawyer, we can sell our house after 5 years “years counted on the date of the S&P signed”. Once project completed and stay for another 2 years, you can freely change to bigger place to produce more babies!
7. if this project open to public, it will be very hot cakes…..
@RP 2b better
chalkboard wall & sauna are nonsense +1
sauna is too damn energy consuming which will leech most of the maintenance fees and maintaining it is not exp. for those gym or resort, how many times the sauna room is working. it is not working most of the time due to the fees that is needed to pay the maintenance.
I believe everyone here is trying to buy a good place for our family and kids. To make sure Ramah remains a good place for our family (dont become like desa relau 2) we all need to pay maintenance properly.
Not paying maintenance will result in a snowball effect where it will affect Ramah slowly n then become shitty place.
So as home buyers pls think many many times before commit to ramah. and its not fair to remove facilities or change plan or reduce standard because other ppl might want it and they have already sign SNP because they like what was offered. If maintenance fee too high then must consider one foresta or clovers or the PDC project
If commit to buy we must all take care of Ramah together. because we are buying to stay.
I think Penang housing department assigned type A to C based on your pay right?. are you saying they simply give you A – C ?
@BT
Why Msummit wont allow you to take Type D? When you submit your form to state is chooses which category for your first choice? 400k or 300k?
pump room will cause noisy or not? in previous chat is stated in level 21..
Penang 1 is right. when we apply we can choose what the price range right?. did y choose 400K to 300 K?
I think he choose 400k and now he regret cause he didn’t count maintenance fee. I suggest maybe u can ask msummit to help to resubmit another surat rayuan to change from 400k to below 300k. So that you can buy Type D.
Indah water Rm4 per toilet ? annually?
House fire insurance ? RM
Quit rent ? RM
Land assessment ? RM
Indah Water i believe is monthly which is RM8 for Ramah.
House fire insurance, Quit Rent, Land assessment is annually not sure bout the figure yet. but should be below 1k-1.5k added up all 3.
@yumi
no Idea, didn’t stay near pump room in the past…. why not u ask developer?
Platinum3 inclusive 2 car park and come with 3 tiered security system,
RP only have 1 tiered security system.
If they hire few atuk or few Bangla to be guard at front door, mean zero tiered security system?
That is why electronic controlled security system is important, if the guard cannot be harap or sleep during duty. At least when the electronic controlled security system is available, we can still trust the technology.
@yumi
Sound is sure will heard it when you walk pass by the pump room…but you stay in house ownt heard it dy because just abit sound only if very loud they cannot put at same floor with residents dy… i go others apartment survey dy about this problem. my cousin stay at LMC also is same floor with pump room too.. when you go into your house wont heard it dy.
When you free you also can go survey byself, sometimes we cannot just see on WEB for ppl’s ideas because some of them duno about the problem we had facing. They just wanna act as very professional only.
the pump room in my current apartment which is at ground floor is noisy for awhile. but this is 15 years old technology.
Need to ask developer about Ramah’s pump room. maybe they use shielding concrete for that room to reduce noise?
hopefully.. my floor is within ＋- 3 level only..
ya..i forgt to ask developer about tht.
also, how our car park located? i had ask developer..bt they no idea on it
to control security by floor, m summit dont need to put door at every floor right. just make sure the elevator/lift is intelligent enough to only allow residents go to their own floor only.
http://www.asis-technologies.com/solutions/electronic-access-control/lift-access
http://www.secusysgroup.com/sys/sysIndex_35.html
The technology may not be too expensive. wonder why msummit dont want to implement this
I ady signed~so want to regret, unhappy, complaint also no use ady…T.T
Just think positive and solve it in future…
Nice to meet you all for those ady Signed~
If we can make sure every1 is paying their maintenance fees, we can have a meeting among community and agree to add the electronic controlled security system. It is our responsibility to make sure ramah not end like shitty place to stay… it will affect the house price too LOL
@yumi
normally they wont know.
even those exp house, carpark at which floor also not sure by the developer
@trex
Actually duno why you have so many idea why not you become a developer and build a perfect house to sell for us?
I ask them 3 times. 3 times also they unable to answer the car park allocation. they say they still deciding on how to allocated the car park.
Just say above 11th lvl , with 2 carpark, 1 low 1 high. below 11th lvl ,2 carpark side by side. If 1 carpark dun know how they allocated.
@PiPiPaPiPu
no need to regret anything because nothing is 100% perfect one. unless you build by yourself and design what you need and what you want.
Today you didnt buy RP but you buy others project, i confirm you also cant 100% happy
Wow i like this technology, but i’ve signed the SPA, too late to voice out. Maybe like ^.^ mentioned maybe we can add in future for this technology. Or to those haven’t sign SPA maybe can voice out to RM.
is it wrong?. the forum is about ramah to share ideas and concerns. not personal attack forum.
pea brain = no idea. is that u?
@trex
http://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/dc/15227908.html
Not no idea… im thinking to build a perfect condo for you. FOC
you need it soon. im thinking what type of facilities and sevurity system suitable for you.
at least i can be a developer and build for you
How? izit nice?
Issit a MUST, for applied from state government and got approval then only can visit the show unit?
I called to M Summit to make appointment for visiting show unit, the girl who answer the call keep asking “are you qualified to buy affordable house?””you are the one who want to buy the house or who?””U cant visit the show unit before apply from state government”… Really pissed me off. The girl sound so LC..
Last week i visit the show unit, none is asking this kind of question..
@trex
maybe one of the developer guy here
relax
hi all neighbour..
nice to meet you all..
@Joan
no need one…you can visit without apply also… what is that girl name?
@Joan
no need, a show unit is public, anyone can visit. not necessary only qualify people can visit. maybe is a part time or new staff who works the first day who said wrongly?
since you already visit the show unit, then you should know. cheers
Nobody is perfect, if you dont like the maintenance, you can go for other projects. Other projects will not be 100% perfect too. To purchase a house, you’ll have to think for your future, not for the present. Now if you complain the maintenance is too high now, then once they change management only you reduce the maintenance. If developer has already calculated them earlier for us, they will surely think the best rate for us. Try to think about all the major maintenance that you need to pay in the future if there are any breakdowns.
Clovers direct give buyer to choose their car park place after ballot process…
Highest floor for car park is only 6 floor compare to 11 floor of RP.
Location: Sungai Ara compare to Teluk Kumbar of RP.
Size: Clovers I get 900sf, small??
Maintenance fee: RM0.18 per sf same for both, but Clovers is luxury condo facilities compare to affordable facilities from RP.
https://www.facebook.com/TheClovers.Penang/videos/vb.486408301452051/671914302901449/?type=2&theater
Judge yourself!
I choose maximum 400K and submit application to state government, but I didnt regret. I thought eligible maximum for 400K (or 100K – 400K) affordable housing and expected maintenance fee ~150.
U r right, out of my expectation maintenance fee too high for me.
I thought affordable mean afford for all including maintenance fee.
I did ask msummit staff, first staff told me type d to f sold off, I tried ask 2nd staff she told me still got a lot units of type d-f, I just keep quiet.
Then I tried ask her I want type d she told me not eligible for me coz offer stated I’m eligible for type a-c.
I forgot to ask her instruction from state government or msummit, but in offer later did mention “instructed by state government”
Sorry, typo error coz using cheap handphone
1st staff said type d to f sold out not sold off
if i’m speculator i will ignore maintenance fee to buy RP and sell after 5yrs, but unfortunately i’m not speculator.
decided to give my chance to other waiting list….
ok, end of my comment for RP.
If u got ur Clovers then gratz u lo… U are so damn lucky out of the 1xx unit…ask us judge wat…dis is gov assigned Mia ok…u tot is like I wan clovers then I can get ah…-.-
Not sure if I should take up the upgrade package. Is it really worth it? But it limits the selection option for the toilet sliding door and the placement of the extra points. Wished they had more choices or options.
@tj
1) Anybody can update us what is the toilet door that will be provided with or without take the upgrade package? Or both also provide sliding door?
2) Is CCTV available inside the seven lift in 2blocks? If installing CCTC at end corner for every level is high cost for msummit, it should be at least CCTV inside every lift, 7 lift need 7 CCTV only. I am sorry if msummit will provide more CCTV than I thought.
Instead of 25storey, there are >36storey, long journey to go from level1 to level36, even rob+sexual assault also can be done together. No way can the victim escape when she is trapping inside lift, man usually stronger than female/kids.
It is very dangerous for female who need to go home late from tuition/work. Tuition class for secondary school/colleagues usually end at 10pm, it is especially dangerous for residents who stay at >level 30. Also my neighbor, if CCTV is not available at sky garden, pls don’t go there even u r quarreling with ur family, there is not a safe place for u to hide.
RP is double the height as compared to other none affordable condo, yet the location is at hill area. So CCTV inside lift is indispensable.
I take Upgrade package mostly because of the tiles and piping and aircond point those. I dun want to change later cause there will be a labor charge to remove old tiles and put in new tiles. this will become additional cost. My point of view is taking the upgrade package is worth it if you want to change tiles later on. If not better dun take…..
Others are welcome to comment too. Cause Msummit stuff the Reno package will need to sign a document and the payment for 22.5k upgrade package is RM1600 first month, the next 19 month is Rm1100.
At least we dun need to lumpsum take out so much money. And to be honest, 3 years later i believe all the cost of the materials might go up by 5-10%. so I think taking the upgrade package is acceptable for me.
@BT
you duno how to separate between 200k 300k 400k category? lol
you should ask about that. this is everyone who buy affordable home they should know how to chooses one. now you cannot blame developer and state also. thats your mistaken.
RP is not really on a hill area. went to check out the place yesterday. its very down compared to the PDC project. My concern was flooding. But the ppl leaving nearby said that place never flood b4.
so RP got CCTV or not?.
haih hope all okay
@cctv in lift
only have answer to ur no 1 question. Yes both also sliding door~ Not sure about cctv though…
u call them ask and feedback here if this is your main concern
@Dan
I never ask about toilet door before as not much concern. Now know it will be sliding door no matter take up grade package or not. Sliding door is not as durable as wooden door & much more cheaper, plastic sliding door also spoilt faster.
Asked before about CCTV, answer get is got CCTV but not sure how many & not sure where the CCTV will be. That is why i asked here as maybe some ppl here can get answer from the other msummit staff. Having only few cctv attached to guard house at condo entrance also considered as got cctv. What matter is not have cctv or not, what matter is where the cctv allocate & how many cctv there are. So maybe when more ppl ask msummit about cctv then only they will go to find out & give us the exact answer.
@buyer
Ya, it is at hill area but very down compared to puspakom area like at kaki bukit. It is at leisurely area, that is why security is important.
@cctv in lift
Yea I mean to ask more about CCTV as your main concern… not bout toilet sliding door. Haha
I ask earlier time about CCTV and Card Access System but all they give is not sure. So i gave up asking. Thinking to ask maybe later time…. Hopefully can get answer in future too. What they said earlier is CCTV at guard house… Yea i agree CCTV need to be inside lift. Hopefully future Ramahrian will update here too
No, within 5 years, u cannot sell ur unit unless u can show solid reason and prove. After 5years also not necessary can sell the unit. Even the staff of msummit themselves also cant give confidence answer that the unit can open to public after 5years
msummit will give full refund (10K) only if loan rejected, else, u will not get full refund, penalty will be given. Kindly correct me if anybody can get back the 10k when it is not bank loan rejected.
I am pretty sure msummit never threaten me to buy RP.
Even though “Maklumat Rayuan” clearly mentions that got 3 chances for affordable housing project, but as we know there are many underground & hidden rule in this world. Both msummit staff & komtar staff told me if the ppl who success to get their offer but reject, he can hardly get another chance again. Msummit staff did tell me that if u book their unit by 10k then unreasonable reject, they will cooperate with komtar side to disqualify you from buying any affordable house in the future or at least in recent years.
Even though the maintenance fee is high, I ady sign spa, as I am worry I will not get another chance to buy affordable house which qualified by state government. So far not yet see much complaint in property talk of their previous landed project(I have checked a few), so I hope that msummit can provide us a good security system as what other buyer mentioned above to secure our safety.
right nw i think reasonable in term of sq ft.
jx drawback is location wise.
but i believe as the kumbar development boost will trigger kumbar area like in RP
correction:-
I think you are wrong. i think he is right.
His household income fall under category viii – mthly income 8-10K. correct me if im wrong
refer to PN1 T&C:-
iv) Pendapatan Tidak Melebihi RM 2,500.00 Untuk Kos Rendah (Suami dan Isteri)
v) Pendapatan Tidak Melebihi RM 3,500.00 Untuk Kos Sederhana Rendah (Suami dan Isteri)
vi) Pendapatan Tidak Melebihi RM 6,000.00 Untuk Rumah Mampu Milik RM200,000 (Suami dan Isteri)
vii) Pendapatan Tidak Melebihi RM 8,000.00 Untuk Rumah Mampu Milik RM300,000 (Suami dan Isteri)
viii) Pendapatan Tidak Melebihi RM 10,000.00 Untuk Rumah Mampu Milik RM400,000 (Suami dan Isteri)
Those 8-10K if allow to buy affordable house <300K or <200K house because <300K sold out? This is no fair right?
then no point to segregate these categories right?
Example:- Mr. A and his son fall under category viii, both qualified to buy RP, both buy type F, "luckily" they get house side by side 800 + 800 sqft total cost 396K better than buy 1 type A 1355sqft. fair to those categories vi & vii?
I believe qualification define by state government base on household mthly income unless you dare to cheat state government for your household income.
Anyway, state government approved affordable house project but never care whether the project affordable or not, important is and as what other mention, not care whether affordable for maintenance fee or not.
sad.
this also Sad .. that also Sad.. location far la.. this la. that la.
complain complain complain
If dont want just reject. so that others who want can get it. Im on waiting list so long. tired of waiting.
If this property was put on free market, within days finish already.
@lala
……….im also at waiting list for 3months more dy…keep gv me Clover project zzz…
reject dy… now still havent get RP…. I go Komtar byself many times dy…!!!
the rule is imposed by the state government and it is 5 years. No need to ask m summit (you think all the staff know everything meh? they also just doing their job). just ask penang housing department.
http://www.penang.gov.my/index.php/en/2013-04-01-05-24-50/kenyataan-akhbar-yab-km/2787-penang-state-government-new-housing-rule-2013
BTW, your house grant will clearly state the restrictions. Read lo.
exactly.. those who so afraid afraid, just reject (cause if u not happy to buy this property u wont be able to live there hapily. always will have regrets).
@lala
you can call msummit to comfirm again you really wan to buy.
follow up with them by today. they will keep follow up with yours cases with perumahan also. gogogo! ytd i already call, hope that really can get good news from them by next week!
Mind to share what make you reject The Clovers ?
@PiPiPaPiPu
why reject The Clovers? it is very obvious.
they have different sqft with the same price. 699 sqft also this price, 700+ sqft also this price. you cannot choose which sqft will you be balloting.
no carparks available, no tiles and all basic things at all. how to buy?
Please do ur own research la… U can sell within 5 years to listed first time buyer but ofcourse u need to appeal to govt and the price is willing buyer and seller. There is no limit.
2. Affordable Housing
Affordable housing is classified as houses which were initially purchased below RM400,000 on the island and RM 250,000 on the mainland. Affordable housing purchased can not be sold for for a period of 5 years from date of Sales and Purchase Agreement. Those who wish to sell during the first 5 years must appeal to the state government and can only be sold to “listed buyers”. The price transacted will not be set by the state government but will be on a “willing buyer, willing seller” basis by both the “listed buyer” and the seller. “Listed buyers” are those who have registered with the Housing Department of the state government and are certified as middle-income groups that are qualified to purchase affordable housing. This 5 year rule will only cover all properties transacted on or after 1 February 2014. In other words it will not be retrospective but affect only Sales and Purchase Agreement signed on or after 1 February 2014.
@janet
agree with you ..
clovers not afford at all..
Fully agree your statement….You all why so difficult and wasting time compare this and that?
By the way, look like you are no concern regarding housing price, location, this and that all no concern why so headache to aim RP? Why not direct buy one foresta, the clovers or other property? So many property in Penang and Malaysia, and you are no concern for housing price and location then just pick one and buy no need headache to aim RP….
im aiming rp because for 1200++ sqft, rp is affordable in penang. All im saying if ppl not happy with this project, just reject and move along so that ppl like me can buy. No need to be sad la, maintenance fee too high la, bla bla bla just reject. Again let me reiterate, if this project was put on free market, within days kena sapu already.
“so many property in penang”.. ok so what??. tell me one new property that is 1250++ sqft for 358000 in penang island. i will go buy. my concern is price. and im not complaining anything. if want buy. if not happy just reject.
ohno! I saw the sales chart, type D and E selling out fast. please save a unit for me. I’ll start to go to komtar everyday next week to ask for my name to be in the next list. If sold out means I will need to go for type A B C. sad.
When will the installment start? Tried asking the staffs but they’re also unsure.
The staff said to me piling start around end of june or early july. By that time to serve instalment?
http://www.kwongwah.com.my/news/2015/05/15/2.html
I bet The Clovers will become cheaper and allocate one car park after this become enforce by erumah.
Double sadness T.T
Your comment is awaiting moderation. ??? Why this popping out when want to comment.
Must be recently fella above who sound so “EXTREME” that drag propertytalk’s attentions
Good! We can feedback to penang state government regarding to these:
For The clovers:
1) No car park provided causing residents have to buy car park!
2) No tiles provided like rumah orang asli, while RP upgrade the size of tiles.
For Ramah pavilion:
1) “no water tap” beside water seat, hard to wash feet before sembayang. Even petrol station & every school provide knee level water tap for washing feet before can sembayang. Is Ramah Pavilion designed for 3 major races in Malaysia?
Kids’ height cannot reach basin level to wash hand. If kids step on toilet seat to reach basin to wash hand, it is dangerous because toilet is slippery, this is severe safety HAZARD. Who to claim when kids fall and banging head?
2) “no air conditioning point” provided forcing residents have to buy up grade package. Many of us buy up grade package because of this.
3) “no heater point” for share toilet, not reasonable to provide only to master bed room but not both.
!! Also the maintenance fees is not affordable & not compliance with the pricing of affordable house.
When more of us voice out to state government, this help to push them to take it seriously & take action faster. The responsibility to take care of citizen is government, not developer. Nobody will take the initiative to help us if we don’t fight for it. Thanks all of you.
boh huat la..dont sad ..happy get ramah..
How…? Who going to take the lead? i ady signed…
by law they can ignore me lo
you always complain Ramah. I think you should go and check the rest also. do you think basic things foresta and clover will give you? foresta aircon pipping 50k, clover doesnt even have it (aircon you fix on your own). foresta with aircon pipping and heater point 90k, clover none.
complain here complain there. Ramah the most only 25k, since you are not happy. I think you should do on our own.
For non chinese…the kwanghwa link above mention that is a must for all Affordable Project come with min one car park per unit…and price cannot over 400k…developer cannot force buyer to upgrade……
Clovers upgrade package is only RM20k with 2’x2′ floor tiles, full wall tiles for washroom, and aircon piping…
Study first before you comment la…please la…aiyo…please…
why complain this and complain that. I’ve make my own comparison and i personally feel Ramah affordable is the most reasonable price. As for parking system, Ramah did give us 1 car park and if u compare clovers , it’s still much more exp even after they give u 1 carpark. cause their selling price for that area is around RM450/sqft while Ramah is below RM300. easily u able to know which is more affordable. You can open in the clovers page and u will see perumahan said that new law is for future affordable not for current. Just be bless that ramah did sell these housing inclusive of 1 carpark and tiles somemore. Clovers is without tiles. U need to be reasonable when comparing. How can u take two different location to compare. U can’t compare an apple with an orange.
Ofc you may say that Ramah is remote area, well of course it is, if not how u get RM300/sqft below in Penang Island?
Anybody disagree when children need to step on toilet bowl or stool to reach the water tap on basin is dangerous? Toilet is always wet because we bath there.
We cannot 24hours watching the children not to step on toilet seat, and to hug them up to basin level to wash hand. Food court will provide lower level water tap for children.
This is the consequences when child fall and knock head=
http://www.kwongwah.com.my/news/2015/05/17/63.html
I study in sekolah kebangsaan, i remember low level water tap are provided in row for them to wash feet before pray. Maybe the house designer study in over sea.
But if u open in the clovers page, u will see they did call to perumahan and they ( perumahan ) said that these rules are for new affordable housing not for old. So the current ( clovers ) no need to provide car park.
And i’m glad that Ramah didn’t force us to take upgrade. U no need to take the upgrade, u can always renovate when u get the house later on.
I went to showroom twice and attended by 2 different msummit staff, First staff is a middle age uncle ( 40-50 Years old ) he said this upgrade package is optional u noneed to take but he highlight to me the stuff and i feel reaasonable to take the package. He even show me the list of different developer charging for upgrade and Ramah is the cheapest.
2nd time showroom attended by a lady ( Name Cathy ) she even said to me that original ramah is sufficient and no need to take upgrade and my father even say yea no need to take. But I still prefer to upgrade package due to bigger tiles. I do not want to do it later cause it need to remove the old tiles and then place new tiles.
there is no force for ramah. rmb it. its depends on us.
if feel worth, just do it like nike.
if not worth, just place it and stick it to original.
like my case, facing financial problem a bit, so i postponed to upgrade later.
@Lol
ur comment always offensive, extreme~ Don’t even bother to explain to you.
@Dan
Same to you, please be in mind and read my comment, for me, my previous major concern always LOCATIONS~! and in term of LOCATION, CLOVERS OWN~! That’s it.~
YET I SIGNED RAMAH, due to my own other concern. I DIDN’T COMPLAIN ANYTHING BAD ABOUT RAMAH, IM JUST SAYING CLOVERS NOT BAD, and GOOD WHEN COME INTO LOCATIONS, THAT’S WHY A LITTLE REGRET/SADNESS. NOTHING ELSE.
BOTH OF YOU STOP AT THE TWIST PPL COMMENT AND PUT IN YOUR OWN BIAS THOUGHTS IN.
WHOEVER COMMENT, BOTH OF YOU KEEP SOUND LIKE FOR THOSE DOUBT IN RAMAH ARE PPL RETARDED AND STUPID. STOP IT~!!
@Lol
@Dan
OVER HERE GOT ONE Lol “COMPLAINING” on RAMAH MAINTAINANCE FEE is HIGH COMPARE TO The CLOVERS….
PLEASE HELP TO EXPLAIN TO HIM ~~~~THANKS YOU
Chill bro, i understand your feelings.
Sometime, there are always people who not centralize when come into discussion.
Or maybe they just want to make you feel betters. Although some of them did sound ‘not so good’
Anyhow, just ignore those bad.
And let’s us be good Ramah folks^^
The clovers having CCTV inside elevator?
@PiPiPaPiPu
Chill bro what with the capslock. I’m just highlighting my point of view. And to be honest that reply wasn’t directly all towards u. I’m saying as general to all people who complain bout why no this why no that. (U think developer build house to accommodate u ah. As earlier someone suggested that people to buy own land and build his own house from the ground.)
Above sentence is not directly to u ok? Is to those ppl who complain …
we already sign the SPA, So what we can do now is just be a good ramah folks and take care of our future house by paying maintenance and think of better ways in terms of securities after 1st year.
Btw as for expensive maintenance i did highlight earlier and some other people also voiced out on why the maintenance ia high. Pls have a read through earlier post. I lazy to type again.
Again I’m sorry if i hurt ur feeling. I didnt even say u are stupid or anything. Just chill bro.
Agree
Since the comparison between RM and Clovers came up, I’ll share my thoughts why I prefer RM. This is based on my own experience dealing with clovers a while back as well.
1) Cost per sqft is much better for RM. You can get a much larger unit at RM for the price you pay for Clovers.
2) Clovers comes with poor fittings and only concrete floor so you basically need pay extra just to tile the entire unit and change all the toilet parts. RM already comes with all this as standard.
3) Clovers comes with no car park and it costs 40K to add one in. Another 20K if you want 2 carparks. Otherwise you need to park at the roadside. For that price, you can get 3 carparks at RM.
4) Perhaps I just was unlucky but the overall attitude of the developer was poor, from the moment you walk into their office the staff is not interested at all to talk to you if you are under affd program.
5) Renovation package costs 20K extra and is almost mandatory in order to add back the tiles and improve the toilet when actually the unit should have come with these basic things. You don’t even anything as good as RM’s renovation package which is so much more value added (RM upgrades almost everything). Most importantly is that RM’s reno pkg is optional so even if you don’t upgrade, you can still get a stayable unit, you can’t do that with Clovers since there’s no flooring.
6) Another thing that most folks is not aware of unless you are a resident of that area is that most of the units for clovers affordable housing are facing to side where you can get a bird’s eye view of the huge hillside cemetery. Maybe this is not an issue for some buyers since Clovers comes with no balcony anyway but it was a big turndown for me.
clovers all facing huge hillside cemetery? hmm…
All,
Those satisfied or not satisfied RP in the term of facilities, maintenance fee and etc.
Pls email to PERANCANGAN BANDAR & DESA DAN PERUMAHAN (Penang), YB JAGDEEP SINGH DEO A/L KARPAL SINGH, email address :- jagdeepsinghdeo@penang.gov.my
or call to his office 04 – 261 0763.
Those satisfied, let YB know you are really like RP, let him know you are ok for housing price and everything (maintenance fee, facilities and etc)….Pls ask him approve more same type of or same standard of (important is same rate of housing price) affordable project so that more people got chance to apply..
Those unsatisfied pls let him know your concern, housing price (I think majority feel RP reasonable)? maintenance fee? facilities and etc? So that maybe YB can request developer “adjust” maintenance fee or facilities?
Pls share if got feedback/response from Penang PERANCANGAN BANDAR & DESA DAN PERUMAHAN dept.
haha…
More affordable homes are upcoming at excellent location! Waterfront location at Queens and Bagan Jermal. I-Santorini at Tg Tokong is now accepting PN1 form. “Check out this great location projects.. As Location is no 1 factor in buying a property.
Thanks for providing YB email here. Yeah agree with u. Those ppl just put feedback at here where cant get solution. Direct email to YB will be the best.
@Bob59
I get Airport and sea view wor…haha
Ya, you add up all is equal to RM380k for 900sf…Tell me, where you can get such price in such good location with such size? Tell me…I wan 900sf in RM380k in Sungai Ara! And is airport view and sea view! Luxury facilities…get me one…definitely no RP la bro…
380K for 900sqft?. nah.. too small. Sungai Ara and RP not that far la.
Sierra Residence at Relau subsale 900sf for 450k.
some will say RP is middle of no where and it’s very far~ haha Well, we choose base on our needs as well. If you work in FTZ ofc RP is acceptable.
If u work in FTZ ( bayan Lepas ) for sure 1 will not choose tanjung tokong place ( No doubt this place have more land value ) but affordable houses are for ppl who buy for their own stay not investment. If those ppl really buy Tanjung area and work in Bayan Lepass, Well good luck for you to jam during peak hours ( working hour ) haha. U might need to wake up very early and drive 1 hour to Bayan lepas, or every late to work~ haha
You guys are really funny.. If not happy to buy RP then STFU & get lost.. If you’re happy then just buy it.. That’s it.. What’s so complicated?? Complain this and that like a kids.. Shame..
When is the balloting for these projects?
Agree with Genius. if want buy. if dont want reject.
If ppl dont want to move or change, ppl die die also wont move around. sungai ara, relau , batu maung or teluk kumbar all almost around FTZ. RP not that far la. only unbearable during high traffic
angry apa and complain apa..haiz..
ramah will get better traffic after that, maybe 5 years more..
Actually you guys always worry about the location but never think about the developer. IF a project which prefect, good location, price reasonable, but the developer sucks run away after 1 year. So? All this become rubbish, because all this just PROPOSE only. That time bring your luggage, go to the site camping there and pay the installment to bank.
@Genius
Location remote, can travel longer distance, is never mind. If a project with good location, price cheap, variety of facility but security is lousy;
if every week happen rob, abduct, sexual harassment, house breaking, murdering between foreign worker….How to live peacefully? Remember RP is near hill area & silence environment.Even we can see that the wall paper attach to the windows of show house are with hill view.
If some people unconcerned with the unfortunate happened to the other neighbor, how if this unfortunate happen to your family 1day? as no matter how we are doing under same roof, things may happen to any one of us.
The staff from msummit don’t even know where is the location of CCTV but just simply advertise CCTV is available in RP, they are not sure whether CCTV will be inside lift!
Normally condo will come with few tiered security but RP don’t have security controlled by floor. The developer of some other affordable project come with better security system, u can go&check out.Telling here is too much to type.
May be this is their 1st high rise project, normally landed project will be gated & guarded at the entrance of the Taman only, they don’t have the technology to implement the security to control by floor yet, that is why they are giving security of control by block like how they control the security in Taman previously.
so conclusion is: msummit is good developer or not? this is a simple question..
u stay in teluk kumbar meh???.. i actually stay in teluk kumbar. i dont hear “every week got happen rob, abduct, sexual harassment, house breaking, murdering between foreign worker”,
btw teluk kumbar dun have indon, bangla, myanmar, vietnam la.
relau and sungai ara have more foreign workers. u go sungai ara and relau area for pasar malam or for after work 6pm ++ the place like bangladesh or vietnam or indon.
U wont see that in teluk kumbar. u should come here around 6++ and see the beauty.
seriously relau and sg ara is a shitty place.
wait for 3 years and then find out. haha
@lang
Lol i can confirm tell u now RP inside lift sure have CCTV, but not every single floor, for the security not as worse as you say la dude, do you think good security wont happen rob all this thing? And i dont think others affordable home will provide you EVERY SINGLE FLOOR CCTV. IF YES, the maintenance fee and the property wont be so cheap as RP, as i said before, if you are not happy, STFU and get lost. That’s it.
maintenance fee will increase if unable to cover the cost, the main cost is lift electric bill, over 10k permonth try ask developer reduce lift then pay less 😀
They want pay cheap maintenance with full CCTV coverage, Full Facilities, Assumed that teluk kumbar is a foreign worker place. Omg…. such a cheap mindset. Even with CCTV crime will still happen. U can see lots of facebook post about CCTV capture image of the thief and what they can do about it? CCTV is just a monitoring tools, important is the guard/police need to take immediate action once they see suspicious behaviour. If not, even with CCTV crime will also happen.
Reduce this reduce that. u think ur father’s project ah??.. PPL already sign SNP (u not even sure want to buy or not). they sign because they like what they saw. now u want developer reduce this reduce that. how developer going to answer to those who already sign. Dumb Comments.
If Dont like Dont buy la. if like clovers/foresta or wateva go sign SNP there.
Here PPl already sign. how to change.
Walaweh.where u come from?. Teluk Kumbar got foreign worker??. Teluk Kumbar cannot see indon / vietnam / bangla walking around la.
Please quote me the price for how the maintenance fees should be if i want it full CCTV coverage. Since you are so ensure whatever charged now is CHEAP… I can get this propose to Ramah…
Or perhaps you can help to do that since you so aware about Ramah’s pricing ^^.
What I can say is, for sure we already have 1 Uncivilized resident in Ramah.
Please follow his instructions~”STFU and get lost~”^^
@Yeap
Mean u agree or dont agree that CCTV should be inside lift?
Mean u think that security should be control by floor or by block?
Yeap is implying that he has no actual comment on the project. he just want to dissect and disseminate other comments. haha. he is not agreeing or disagreeing to anything
People concern about safety only, never shoot any one, so rude to scold customer like this.
Thk Yeap
I dont wish to stay with people discussing all maintenance and safety. We havent see the house yet even tiang!. Just be positive, if concern about safety or anything, we can discuss in the management community. How we utilize the maintenance fee we collected and serious penalty to those who didnt pay it. For the facility, RM is a condo not apartment or low medium flat. Most of the people choose to buy the property is because of those facility. From my personal feelings dont buy a property that you have so much complain about where there is many better option outside. You will never satisfy unless you afford to build your own house. i really pray for good ramah management community instead….
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