Agensi: Majlis Perbandaran Pulau Pinang, P.Pinang

No. Rujukan Projek: MPPP/OSC/PM(2202)/13(LB)

Nama Projek:
PERMOHONAN KEBENARAN MERANCANG UNTUK CADANGAN MENDIRIKAN 1 BLOK KONDOMINIUM 42 TINGKAT YANG MENGANDUNGI 3 MENARA (892 UNIT) TERMASUK 6 TINGKAT TEMPAT LETAK KENDERAAN DAN KEMUDAHAN MASYARAKAT (STRATA TITLE) DI ATAS LOT 12735 & 12837, MUKIM 12, D.B.D, LENGKOK MERBAH 3, PULAU PINANG

Untuk Tetuan:ASIA GREEN CONSTUCTION SDN. BHD.
Kategori Projek: A – Projek Biasa
Jenis Pemajuan: A – Perumahan
Rancangan Tempatan (RT): Tiada RT (Rancangan Tempatan)
No. Lot:LOT 12735 & 12837
Mukim: MUKIM 12, D.B.D
Tarikh Permohonan
Borang2 : Jenis Permohonan : Piagam
Tkh Lulus Jabatan Teknikal PBT
Status / Tkh Lulus
Tempoh info1.
01-Oct-2013 A13 (Kebenaran Merancang (KM)) : 108 hari
– Lulus Bersyarat 04-Mar-14 (154 hari)

What does it mean by lulus bersyarat?

Update from AsiaGreen:

Approval granted last week, pending official letter from the government
Block A to sign SnP mid of April;
Block B and C will be later as there will be some changes on allocation (expect to be in May);
Finally, this long awaited project has been approved!

The site plan had been revised.
Please check http://www.the-clovers.com/

For more updates you may refer to:
https://www.facebook.com/TheClovers.Penang

Hi, I got one unit in Block A Level 17(hill and city view) wanna let go. Price RM672k before 4% discount. Interested pls sms me @ 012-5901970. Only SMS and pls stated you are Buyer or Agent. Thanks

Hi did any one of the buyer get any call from the Asia green on the snp? Any latest update?

HI, any update on the project?

I went to the sales office today. They have come out with the new plan and the whole layout has upgraded. The sales person mentioned that tentatively S&P will sign on 19 May onwards

BB :
Update from AsiaGreen:
Approval granted last week, pending official letter from the government
Block A to sign SnP mid of April;
Block B and C will be later as there will be some changes on allocation (expect to be in May);
Finally, this long awaited project has been approved!

Hi, any update on the SnP for Block A?

@Lee

Would advice you to call up AG, they could provide better details. I was told by them tower A will have SnP signed first compared to other towers. Please update here if you have further details

squarefree :
I went to the sales office today. They have come out with the new plan and the whole layout has upgraded. The sales person mentioned that tentatively S&P will sign on 19 May onwards

Sound good upgraded the layout. What kind of upgraded they did?

Hey did anyone got call from asia green? Do anyone know which is the panel bank? I just know cimb and hlb any others

@pp

I visited the gallery and the sales person show me the panel are Maybank, UOB, OCBC, Hong Leong, Ambank, Public bank are the panel. I did not receive any call yet.

But I have consult with UOB and OCBC, they mentioned that due to the building plan hasn’t approved. It is still under some minor revised. So it is not official that they are the panel bank and they can’t do anything now. What we can do now is just wait.

i applied hongleong and rhb.. rhb gives me -2.45% anyone got better deal?

@buyer

OCBC offer only -2.35%. But is RHB the panel bank? can we go for it?

@squarefree

yeah rhb and hongleong are panel bank.. if u want the agent contact u can get from me. hongleong give me -2.42% 85% loan, 30years without MRTA, rhb 90% loan -2.45% 35years with MRTA

Pls share the contact number.

@buyer
Can you please give me rhb and hong leong bank contacts? May i know how to get the contacts from you? My h/p is 0165558565 and email address is aliciatoe@gmail.com

Pls share it here thanks. And i did when to the show house and next to the clovers they start to build houses anyone know what project is that?

@Alicia

@pp

hi sorry late reply
here are the contacts
Mr Ang 0124615869 hongleong bank, very good service and responsible

Ms Yap 0124622399 rhb bank.

singing SPA date? expecially for Block B & C

Clover’s Purchasers, for Tower A & C on 08/05/2014 – 16/05/2014, 10.30am – 5.30pm @ The Clovers Sale Gallery for latest update. For Tower B Purchaser, the update will be start from 19/05/2014 – 29/05/2014, 10.30am – 5.30pm @ The Clovers Sale Gallery.

Anyone of you receive this SMS?

TC :
Clover’s Purchasers, for Tower A & C on 08/05/2014 – 16/05/2014, 10.30am – 5.30pm @ The Clovers Sale Gallery for latest update. For Tower B Purchaser, the update will be start from 19/05/2014 – 29/05/2014, 10.30am – 5.30pm @ The Clovers Sale Gallery.
Anyone of you receive this SMS?

what does it means? brief us with the new layout?

buyer :

TC :Clover’s Purchasers, for Tower A & C on 08/05/2014 – 16/05/2014, 10.30am – 5.30pm @ The Clovers Sale Gallery for latest update. For Tower B Purchaser, the update will be start from 19/05/2014 – 29/05/2014, 10.30am – 5.30pm @ The Clovers Sale Gallery.Anyone of you receive this SMS?

what does it means? brief us with the new layout?

May be to inform you that whole project cancelled and ask you to buy another project near to Queensbay with certain discounted price……
Good lo…..

@TC

Hi TC, I received this message also. I think they are going to inform the new layout plan. Dunno is 1561 or 1591. Hopefully the price won’t go up after adjustment.

@squarefree

If I am not mistaken, the price will stay as it is with some extra 30sft given to buyers. Anyone has insider information of what exactly “the update” is talking about? I thought we should have been signing SPA very soon rather than getting update.

This is the most profitable project for investors.

ya…we should have more clear picture by next week….
let’s see what is going on….

Finally, hope something good to share. And looking forward for the project to start asap. By the way let go in groups.

Block A and C purchasers, please provide your update here next week.

Hi, I am interested in the project for own stay. If anyone would like to let go your unit, kindly give me a call h/p 012-4256536. Prefer Tower A unit No.5 high floor.

as what i know.. it is 1561sqft, extra 18sqft from original.. they will charge the extra sqft according to ur current unit price per sqft.
tower B got affordable unit total 12 unite per floor..

Anyone have visit to the The Clovers sales gallery?
Please share if you have any updates…thanks

@TC
Yes i am

Initially I was there in the sales office last 2 weeks ago, where the sale person inform me that the upgraded floor plan and without adding extra charge in sales price, now my friend went there and the sale person said the upgraded floor plan will increase the unit pricing. Now my question is where is the fairness, I didnt request for the upgraded floor plan, its Asia Green themselves who is the one decided to upgrade the floor plan, and ask us to bare the extra cost, if AG decided to upgrade it to 2000 sft or more, then the existing buyers need to dump in extra money or bank will not approve its loan right? Again AG plan keeps changing all over the time!

Fyi the update as below.

1) Increase of the floor plan from previous 1543 to 1598 (That means increase of the price of the unit)
2) Every floor will increase 2 floor up.
3) SNP signing will delay till August. “Haiyor”… But a Pre signing of SNP will be done during June.

Please let us know if anyone got extra information.

Just can’t accept they increased the price suka suka saje…

We have been waiting this project for 2 years, now they didn’t compensate anything to us but increase the build up area due to their own fault and shift their losses to customer. What kind of developer is this??!!!

Asia Green, pls be a conscientious developer!

Dear all buyers of this project, please fight for our own rights by saying “NO” to the irresponsible developer. They can change their plan by increase the build up area but please don’t suka suka increase our initial purchase price. This is totally unfair….

@De Dar Joe
I agreed you. If you check more detail n careful by comparing the previous & current, you can find the price is different a lot by not just the price for sq ft increased.

I got one unit in Block A higher floor wanna let go. Interested pls email to me at jasontan3233@yahoo.com. Only email and pls stated you are Buyer or Agent. Thanks

This is the problem when you place booking fees for properties that have no advertising permits. In order to get advertising permits, developers would have to have all the relevant building/council approvals before advertising permits are granted.

You have no one but yourself to blame for not lodging a complain to housing ministry when the developer asked for booking fees for NOTHING!!

Did AG mention about these:
– Compensation for DIBS?
– Free SPA fees & disbursement?
– Free loan stamp duty & disbursement?

@unknown3

De da joe i thought they charge u base on the previous price psft.

pp :
Fyi the update as below.
1) Increase of the floor plan from previous 1543 to 1598 (That means increase of the price of the unit)
2) Every floor will increase 2 floor up.
3) SNP signing will delay till August. “Haiyor”… But a Pre signing of SNP will be done during June.
Please let us know if anyone got extra information.

So how was the increase looks like? Do you quote an example. your unit as a case.

from 670 units to 900 units… keeping psf price… I am guessing the project will delay again in view of low demand and average 60% loan rejection…

Additional 44 SF (useless lift area) needs to pay additional 23.5K some more the original facing direction is changed to facing the cemetery. Another 50k need to be paid if request to change the facing direction……..Really disappointed to this developer.

Going to black listed this developer.

asia green projects all high density.. clovers not yet settled already launched few others. Yet, people still buying.. seems like market still good huh.

Greeting..

I (owner) have a Tower A Mid-floor Pool View (3A) unit to let go.
Interest please email me at match_8299@hotmail.com or sms at 016-4140085.
Selling price at RM 724,999 (slightly negotiable for serious buyer only).
Kindly state that you are a buyer or property agent.

Thanks.

Which unit is facing cemetary in block A?

Hi all,

From my opinion:-

Please read your letter of “irrevocable offer to purchase a property” that signed previously with your solicitor while deposit made. (before talk to them)

You may ask your solicitor on the condition and legal action to be taken as this solicitor is to represent you and not developer. During the negotiation, I would suggest that the solicitor shall be represent all purchasers and shall provide relevant communication between solicitor and developer. As such, we will understand reason(s) on the delay of the project.

Inside the offer letter, a lot of clause that “look like more favorable” to developer rather than purchasers.

I believe that some buyers have signed this offer letter for more that 2 years. This offer letter shall deemed accepted by the developer, if not how their going to reserve a unit for you. Solicitor is agent that act of behalf of purchasers (principal), I believe that they should know what to do.

Thus, if you are not agree with the term and condition with developer, ask your solicitor to talk to them. You should not make any additional payment to them. The price that you agreed, they must deliver the services or product. The changes of plan is their own internal matter, you are not liable for that.

Therefore, they should maintain the previous deal with you all. The additional floor space is good to you, but they cannot charge you additional payment. For instance, you buy a car with 4 wheels plus 1 spare tyre at RM100k upon signing booking form. But, the car dealer inform you that I need to charge addtional RM1,000 due to I change the model of seat from fabric to leather.

This is my view/opinion and you shall consult with your solicitor.
Pls gather all purchasers in order to against the “price increase”.

DIBS will replace cash voucher, come with two options:
1) $18k upon SPA, or
2) $30k upon Vacant possession

@Haiz
yesterday we went their office & realised tat the net price as given in previous price list is increased even after adding the price for st ft increased. From our opinion, they should not increase the price & IF increased also must highlight to us rather than let us see whether we can find out or not. This is my view/opinion, pls check & compare & read properly all documentz current & previous.

@Haiz

Hi Haiz, you are right but i already sign the agreement during the meet up, how stupid am i.
But i believe Asia green should get majority vote before can do the changes.

Lets do a vote how many would agree on the increase of the 55sqft and with additional lift.

Agree =
Disagree = 1

I think there is no point to make any voting here…they won’t even bother us here….
to be more realistic, is there any purchaser’s here is in legal field or lawyer?
if yes please help to go thru the old IOA to see there is any legal action can be taken on these all changes….

@cp
Mean that have to change the plan to make it approved.

@JJ,
If you guys check back the the DIBS figure column from the existing booking form.
It’s stated as 35k and now they offering 18k upon SPA and 30k upon VP…
This is something that unfair to us as well…

Anyone know what is the project at the end of lengkok merbah 3 (north side of Clovers between army camp & clovers)? I see clearing of land is ongoing. Wonder what is the project that may affect clovers!!?

In fact, they should not charge you more

Original plan is 670 units (4 blocks) and revised to 892 units (3 blocks).
The addtional units is 222 units with breakdown:-

110 units in 1,500 sqft++
112 units in 800sft++ (avaeage between 700sqft – 1,000sqft)
Total additonal sqft are approximately 254,600 sqft
Assumming average psf is RM500psf.

Total additional revenue for AG is RM500 x 254,600sqft = RM127.3million
Assuming the net profit margin is 30%, which is additional net profit is approximately RM38.2mil.

Do you think AG make more money now and increase the RMpsf to early bactch buyer is make sense?

Hi i got BLR-2.45% with MRTA 90% loan from RHB……HLB approved me 85% only. RHB banker contact 016-6686762.

@Haiz

To be fair to the developer, they did not increase price psqft but they charge us for giving us extra that’s not something fair to purchasers.

W

TC :
@JJ,
If you guys check back the the DIBS figure column from the existing booking form.
It’s stated as 35k and now they offering 18k upon SPA and 30k upon VP…
This is something that unfair to us as well…

How to trust their saving calculation in the future?

How big is the size of the affordable units?

From starting it’s already unfair to purchaser…
Won’t trust, buy or recommend any project from this AsiaGreen to friends or family members anymore…AG…u did like this..u won 1 round but u lost the rest later.

adviser :
W

TC :
@JJ,
If you guys check back the the DIBS figure column from the existing booking form.
It’s stated as 35k and now they offering 18k upon SPA and 30k upon VP…
This is something that unfair to us as well…

How to trust their saving calculation in the future?
How big is the size of the affordable units?

We should insist on what we should get, 18K upon SNP, ask them to dream. Together we can make AG feel sorry. Ask them to revise the DIBS compensation before signing. There is one facebook “The Clovers” not owned by AG, we should make use of the platform for discussion and make our decision rather than following what they said.

BB,
You’re right..the fb is https://www.facebook.com/TheClovers.Penang
I’m actually one of the page admin for that FB page, please leave your contact in PM on that FB page so that we can discuss further either in FB group-chat or whatsapp.
Hence I’m urge all the purchaser’s not to sign the new offer letter first..
Let see what we can done then only decide whether to sign it or not also not rush now..
SINCE we have been waited for so LONG already……

BLOK KONDOMINIUM 42 TINGKAT YANG MENGANDUNGI 3 MENARA (892 UNIT)

Wow!! 892 unit!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is this? Bangla condo? Its very shocking. I cannot believe my eyes. OMG!!! OMG!!!

Is this record breaking number of unit in a project in Penang? (beside low cost flat which might be even lower number).

@BB
I couldn’t find The Clovers group in FB.
Could you please send me the link? Thanks.

Please scroll up to check the fb page link
I have posted before

Just went to Clover Sale Gallery and so disappointed because we have been ask to pay extra 25k++ because they need to extend the lift area to accommodate the extra lift and they have make the living room area smaller for this changes. This will causes very very bad reputation to the Asia Green Group, first when they try to sell this property to us, the concept is there only will be one lift to serve around 20 plus floors and the original floor plan which the living room is rectangle. But now they increase the floor to 40 plus and they need to add extra lift (to meet the regulation due to higher floor) and they ask us to pay extra 25k++ because they need to extend the lift area, what kind of logic is this? We as the buyer, we pay for what you promise to sell us (2 years ago) then you can come back after one to two years and tell me please pay extra because we giving you extra area (which is not what we want when we first buying your product), Asia Green Group make the mistake at first and now they ask their customer to pay for their mistake? As the good developer, they should waive all the extra charges they ask from their customers.

totally agree !!! @Haiz

@JoeC
Maybe the Clover price up so high oredi. So Asia Green think you buyers wouldn’t mind to pay extra RM25k.

Again…..delayed is not our purchaser’s fault…
As an experienced developer, before you open/launch a project in public, you should go through and understand all the regulation and process flow.
Not wait until govt rejected your plans then you come back to us…
And we are booked during 2012, but use now 2014 market price to come nego this to us…in fact we expecting this project should be completed early than this…..
everyone pls go to that FB page and leave ur contact in PM….let discuss and go in group to their office and nego with them on these.

I booked a unit at Block C about 1.5 yrs ago, after they ding dong here ding dong there, at last I gave up the unit, and they will charge me RM180 for credit card interest. I have earlier booked 13A floor but they replace with 12 floor with a totally different direction and need to pay additional 30k for the useless foyar/lift area. The sales person sd all units (including Block B) were mostly sold, I see…… now safe my breath, will start searching for other projects instead of waiting and waiting…..

AG should compensate the buyers instead of charging them more for not fulfilling their promise on delivering the house on time… with tighter lending rule now, buyer might have hard time to secure the loan.. all because of AG’s not able to perform their job!!

so far any tower B buyer went to sales office to inquire the unit booked with revised package?
i booked unit 6, wonder what gonna be the facing after the revision??

@TC
The existing booking form mentioned Dibs is Rm35000 but now they give only either Rm18000 or Rm30000 (which is much lower than existing booking form) to replace the Dibs and you have to sign a letter. The cash they give (to replace interest Dibs) is lower than the existing booking form (by right should be higher) whereas the purchase price now is higher than existing booking form. Since the purchase price is now increased, the loan interest payable by us will be higher also.

jess :@TC The existing booking form mentioned Dibs is Rm35000 but now they give only either Rm18000 or Rm30000 (which is much lower than existing booking form) to replace the Dibs and you have to sign a letter. The cash they give (to replace interest Dibs) is lower than the existing booking form (by right should be higher) whereas the purchase price now is higher than existing booking form. Since the purchase price is now increased, the loan interest payable by us will be higher also.

You are right.
They should pay to purchasers up upfront or pay on monthly basis.
Why should we pay first and only can claim it 3 years later?

Timing of cash value is not that worth. Therefore, they should pay more….
Who can guarantee AG will pay you 3 years later…..this one not in the agreement.
Just mutual agreemenet and you cannot take any action agaist them as D.I.B.S is prohibited…..no matter in what form…..

pls take note ya….

@TC

TC, you should create an event under the facebook page, set a proper date and time, we, the purchasers, should spend an hour of your time that could save you 10K of money, march towards their office and ask for what we should be getting. It would be a disaster if we couldn’t stay united against them. Once the snowball is getting bigger, they may feel the pain and the value of their brand….brush off!

BB :@TC
TC, you should create an event under the facebook page, set a proper date and time, we, the purchasers, should spend an hour of your time that could save you 10K of money, march towards their office and ask for what we should be getting. It would be a disaster if we couldn’t stay united against them. Once the snowball is getting bigger, they may feel the pain and the value of their brand….brush off!

You are right.
I do not believe that the developer will allow most of the unit to be withdrawn.
They have no time to make any sale….since project going to start…
If they can make sale again…how many will buy…..? price sure increase much more….?How many of us are affordable…?

Let’s go… Fight for the right.

@@BB,
Event had been created for this coming Saturday (17-May-2014)

@TC
Confirmed? What is the time and location?

@TC

Is too sudden, we need to gather those B tower owners as well, I am one of it. Of notification will come only next week.

i would like to let go my unit. My view/opinion are:

1) no more have confident on Ag.

2) The “irrevocable” letter why just require us to sign but the developer didnt sign on it? The letter no letterhead also. Why only the purchaser have to “Irrevocable” but the developer no need sign “irrevocable”? The letter at least should have Ag signature or letterhead right? The letter must be signed by both parties as in my view.

3) The rest of other “agreed by” letters also signed only by us (purchaser) but why the Ag didnt sign nor agreed by OR issued under letterhead? Are these letter is binding on purchaser only? Are these a formal letter or just a school exercise letter?

4) Will the “rebate of Rm30k” stated in snp?

5) The int rate i estimated to be increase in near future and so that the Rm30k may not be enough.

6) In my view also, the proposed 4 blocks become 3 blocks now is different in terms of density and privacy. For ex’ple, IF a proposed 10 blocks with 20 floors per block now become 3 blocks with the same total units of 10 blocks, will you think the view of purchaser or investors are same?

May be the view above are wrong but pls suggest if anything.

Jess :i would like to let go my unit. My view/opinion are:
1) no more have confident on Ag.
2) The “irrevocable” letter why just require us to sign but the developer didnt sign on it? The letter no letterhead also. Why only the purchaser have to “Irrevocable” but the developer no need sign “irrevocable”? The letter at least should have Ag signature or letterhead right? The letter must be signed by both parties as in my view.
3) The rest of other “agreed by” letters also signed only by us (purchaser) but why the Ag didnt sign nor agreed by OR issued under letterhead? Are these letter is binding on purchaser only? Are these a formal letter or just a school exercise letter?
4) Will the “rebate of Rm30k” stated in snp?
5) The int rate i estimated to be increase in near future and so that the Rm30k may not be enough.
6) In my view also, the proposed 4 blocks become 3 blocks now is different in terms of density and privacy. For ex’ple, IF a proposed 10 blocks with 20 floors per block now become 3 blocks with the same total units of 10 blocks, will you think the view of purchaser or investors are same?
May be the view above are wrong but pls suggest if anything.

1. No Confident…better seek for another investment as the your opportunity cost is these 2 years.

2. By that time, developer no right to sell their project as the plan yet to approve. Therefore, you have to pay indirectly to solictor.

3/4. If developer sign, they will kena legal action from Bank Negara Malaysia. Your worry are also other purchaser….If 3 years later, developer refuse to pay…you have no right to take action…

5. For sure will increase as the BLR/OPR will be increasing in this year…

6. No need to worry for the # of block, just analyse that this investment is worth or not? If yes, please proceed.

Just my opinion…….

@Jess

To be frank, AG will not let this project off. This is the first luxury condo project in PG, developer wont game on first project and I bet you cant find any property in the market with this kind of price. If you are buying for own stay and not for investment, to me, you should proceed. If you enter into another new property project, touch wood, you may be facing the same issue as all “investments” have risks. Since this is progressing, no point for you to turn back when there is a glimpse of light in front of you.

Hi

Anyone interesed on the affordable unit in Clovers? 1,000 sqft at RM5xx,xxx
Pls do email me at penangclovers@gmail.com for further discussion.

Thanks.

To all Block B buyers: have you accepted or rejected the revised purchase price and replaced unit?

Anyone Interested in The Clovers BLK C ?
Pls do email me @ andy_teh@hotmail.com
Thanks..

@BB

Have you talk with AG? Do you want to share it? I’m a purchaser of tower B as well.

Direct buyer interested for the clover block A unit…owner if u interested to let go, kindly contact me , thanks. 0164226599/ lee_usm@yahoo.com

My advise to buyer check properly the developer background and their recent activity and experiences on property development.

@SP

2 completed projects are Asia Heights in Farlim and Asia Hills in Bukit Jambul.

The Clovers is their first luxury condo on the island. Yet to be launched officially is
Quaywest Residence at Bayan Mutiara.

Is there any info that the buyers of the Clovers need to know so as not to jeopardize
the buyers’ interest? Please share here as this blog is for everyone to share with others
what they know.

@Alicia
they have a completed project in Raja Uda, Butterworth, Mandarin Quarter

Hi , do you interested in block C ? tq
@Spongebob

AG actually have quite a lot of completed projects so far…
the only things is they always not plans/study well before launching a new project….

Alicia :
@SP
2 completed projects are Asia Heights in Farlim and Asia Hills in Bukit Jambul.
The Clovers is their first luxury condo on the island. Yet to be launched officially is
Quaywest Residence at Bayan Mutiara.
Is there any info that the buyers of the Clovers need to know so as not to jeopardize
the buyers’ interest? Please share here as this blog is for everyone to share with others
what they know.

Alicia :
@SP
2 completed projects are Asia Heights in Farlim and Asia Hills in Bukit Jambul.
The Clovers is their first luxury condo on the island. Yet to be launched officially is
Quaywest Residence at Bayan Mutiara.
Is there any info that the buyers of the Clovers need to know so as not to jeopardize
the buyers’ interest? Please share here as this blog is for everyone to share with others
what they know.

I am not bios to this developer but I just try to given some advise. The reader @TC gave a good point here: “they always not plans/study well before launching a new project….”. Ask yourself why you should pay booking fee for those not get approval project plan by statement gov for some many year? This is just a paper project plan approval and not talking about 3 years construction period yet.
Try to get some news about their company group or subsidiary activities from browser. All the listed completion project or going to launch project is just a peanut info can be get it by everyone. I know how to access to their website to read it. No need to spend time type it one by one listed down here.

went to clovers sales gallery yesterday, still remain tower B unit.
At first i was not happy with the additional amount i need to pay for additional sq ft but to be honest i don’t want to let go of the project as it is hard to still find this kind of price in the market today. I accepted it because i am glad they only charged me on the additional sq ft but not anything else as the additional sq ft is my own space and they give me idea that what i can do in the foyer area which i think i can design some space to be useful (i’m a designer myself).
I like higher floor and swimming pool view but i wasn’t able to buy too high because it costs more back then and not many units left but now i am able to get a higher floor and swimming pool view without additional cost so i am happy guess the changes are work fine towards my liking.
Guess we all pay the booking fees and signed the IOA because preview price is much more attractive than when they official launch (i’m sure they will increase price)!

I just want my unit and hopefully able to see it finish asap so i don’t want any trouble or extra delay either from developer or purchasers. I read about AG background, they might not be good at planning but they always complete the projects even took longer year and fined with LAD. They even took up abandon projects and complete them like Asia Heights and Asia Hills. and since they have so many future projects bet they don’t want to risk this project.

just called the developer, and they said for nomination or change owners need to be immediate family members only. If 3rd party, the 3rd party won’t receive the rebate at all…
They said this to control ppl from flipping the units, guess it is either i cancel the unit or wait until the project complete only can sell d~

@June
June, why they seems very strict now? If let say you cancel the unit and i direct buy your cancelled unit, is it mean i can entitle for the same rebate with the same purchase price as yours? Or the unit i have to buy at current higher price without any rebate?
If cancel the unit, how much can get back the money with interest?

All, in your opinion, whats the best unit for each tower? Like unit 10 or ….

@megan

Do they mention when start pilling? If they are really strong financially, should be no problem to start work now even before all S&P are signed or all units are booked.. The revised plan already approved more than 3 months ago, no progress at all..

@tt
They said they will start work around July and they have their ground breaking ceremony in July as well. They will make an announcement once they get their start work approval. They said they still pending for that start work approval.
They will only collect the first 10% in August so that said they probably financially strong to be able to start work before receiving money.

@may

Haha.. Thought its funny that your name is may & mine is June.
They know many ppl flipping the units and it’s affecting the market and not healthy in long run.
They said if ppl cancel then new buyer will entitle the same rebate with the same price psf.
But no interest just take back our 10k. Apparently our IOA stated 12 + 12 so we actually agree to give them 2 years time. And didn’t mention about the interest being paid back.
I think I will still stay with my unit since it is hard to get this price at this time at this market situation.

Oh and try buy car park now as they are allocation car park now so they. Can have your 3rd car park near your car parks. If not they will put all the additional car park in the upper level.

Cloverians, AG offers two packages to replace DIBS, 18K direct rebate on down payment or 30K upon VP, which you prefer and why?

I prefer 18k because I only able to get 80% loan so at least the 18k can help me cover part of the 2nd stage payment. Won’t be too heavy for me in one shot.

Hi all.RHB is offering BLR-2.45% no lock in periods. Loan up to 90%. interested pls call banker

@Megan
Megan based on previous msg, i think you are either from Ag or the project agent right?

I’m purchaser of new unit B-26-11.
Haha.. I wish I’m from AG so I can more discount . But I’m consider close with AG since mandarin quarter as I was the past buyer there.

I also get approved by RHB and CIMB.
Both offering -2.45 with min MRTA bundled…if without MRTA is only able to get -2.4
SO if want semi-flexi then RHB and if want full flexi then CIMB…
still considering..

@Megan
haha…come on Megan, it’s very obvious u r somebody from AG.

Please highlight our problem to urself or bosses, we r just small potatoes that wanna get a house for own stay. Please dont simply increased the price without consider our financial problem. What goes around comes around….

We all are the genuine buyer and have limited income, unlike AG financial strong. AG just earn a bit lower in profit if they didn’t increase the price but for us we have to bear the loan for many years…

It’s AG that make the mistake so it’s fair for them to bear that minor cost after wasted our two years time.

@De Dar Joe

No point to hurl harsh words towards anyone here, if you really want to get something out from the developer, unit all buyers or worst pull a banner and stand outside. Give some constructive suggestions, TC has created The Clovers page at facebook, you can drop your precious comment anytime there, be wise and calm. Stay cool DDJ.

@De Dar Joe

No point to hurl harsh words towards anyone here, if you really want to get something out from the developer, unite all buyers or worst pull a banner and stand outside. Give some constructive suggestions, TC has created The Clovers page at facebook, you can drop your precious comment anytime there, be wise and calm. Stay cool DDJ.

Agensi: Majlis Perbandaran Pulau Pinang, P.Pinang
No. Rujukan Projek: MPPP/OSC/KT1167/14(LB)
Nama Projek: CADANGAN KERJA YANAH BAGI CADANGAN MENDIRIKAN KONDOMINIUM YANG MENGANDUNGI 3 MENARA (892 UNIT) MENARA A  42 TINGKAT MENARA B  41 TINGKAT MENARA C  42 TINGKAT TERMASUK 6 TINGKAT PODIUM TEMPAT LETAK KENDERAAN DAN KEMUDAHAN MASYARAKAT (STRATA TITLE) LENGKOK MERBAH 3, DI ATAS LOT 12735 & 12837, MUKIM 12, DAERAH BARAT DAYA, PULAU PINANG.
Untuk Tetuan: ASIA GREEN CONSTRUCTION SDN. BHD
Kategori Projek: B – Projek Bina Kemudian Jual (BKJ)
Jenis Pemajuan: A – Perumahan
Rancangan Tempatan (RT): Tiada RT (Rancangan Tempatan)
No. Lot: 12735 & 12837
Mukim: MUKIM 12
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Tarikh Permohonan
Borang3 : Jenis Permohonan : Piagam
Tkh Lulus Jabatan Teknikal PBT
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Agensi: Majlis Perbandaran Pulau Pinang, P.Pinang
No. Rujukan Projek: MPPP/OSC/PB6776/14(LB)
Nama Projek: CADANGAN UNTUK MENDIRIKAN KONDOMINIUM YANG MENGANDUNGI 3 MENARA (892 UNIT) MENARA A – 42 TINGKAT MENARA B – 41 TINGKAT MENARA C – 42 TINGKAT TERMASUK 6 TINGKAT TEMPAT LETAK KENDERAAN DAN 1 TINGKAT KEMUDAHAN MASYARAKAT (STRATA TITLE) LENGKOK MERBAH 3, DI ATAS LOT 12735 & 12837, MUKIM 12, DAERAH BARAT DAYA, PULAU PINANG. UNTUK:TETUAN ASIA GREEN CONSTRUCTION SDN. BHD [MELALUI KEBENARAN MERANCANG MPPP/OSC/PM 2202/13(LB) [NO.JPB/KM/5138/A] BERTARIKH 04.03.2014]
Untuk Tetuan: TETUAN ASIA GREEN CONSTRUCTION SDN. BHD
Kategori Projek: A – Projek Biasa
Jenis Pemajuan: A – Perumahan
Rancangan Tempatan (RT): Tiada RT (Rancangan Tempatan)
No. Lot: 12735 & 12837
Mukim: MUKIM 12, DAERAH BARAT DAYA
Bil
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the above plans should be finalize now…let see how fast they can get approval by MPPP

The project looks interesting. Aren’t you guys worried about the single access road? (opposite the school). In the morning lots of cars driving to get out of the area using the single road.

haha… well, just sharing what i get to know from the Developer but it’s up to yall to thik if i’m from agent or developer la. As if i can really tell the boss our concern. I bet the developer can see our comments here anyway.
I just want the project to move on smoothly like everyone else! i’m sick of delaying and problems for 2 years d. Other projects has already started halfway but no point complaining at the moment, so i think best to either take it or cancel it. It is still need to move on right? I have no more budget for other projects at the current market so i take the offer that doesn’t mean everyone has the same opinion as i do.
Just hope that the government approve the plan asap!!!!!!!

@Tigerz

New road will be built beside Clovers, close to C tower which has direct access to highway..

TC, can u prov the Facebook link u created?

@Blabla

How do you know? Who will build the road?

https://www.facebook.com/TheClovers.Penang

Any of you have proceed to apply housing loan d?
so far how was the bank offering? let share…
RHB offering me -2.45 attached with very min MRTA package- Semi flexi loan
CIMB also offering me -2.45 attached with min MRTA package – Full flexi loan

@gan

Asia Green…

@TC

very min MRTA package cost about how much?

how much selling now?

@Tomyam….
pls got to TheClover.Penang fb page and pm me..i’ll give you the banker contact..

@Blabla
You mean a proper road to the Airport road.
You need another access, as they will be potentially 1000+ (at least) new cars in the area.
That is good news.

Any dissatisfied Block B purchasers?
The block becomes more high densed (with smaller units), living room size is reduced, living room shape is no longer as squarish and nice as before, yet we have to pay extra.

Calling all purchasers and in particular Block B purchasers, shall we start to gather force and
support with a view to lodge collective complaints against developer?

What do you all think?

@Alicia
I agreed with Alicia’s suggestion, maybe Alicia can fix a date and time for all of the purchasers to go and negotiate with the developer. We need a leader to initiate it now.

@Alicia, max,
Let us know what is ur outcome, I personally felt it’s very hard to make any changes now…
I had tried all my way to nego and discuss with them..but seem it doesn’t work…

@Alicia Good idea but what u can do?? I also hv tried all way. They’ll tell you no need to buy lah and pay u back ur deposit. Then can sell to other ppl with new price instead.

You guys never learn. Asia Green is the worst developer. Yet, you guys still do not want to let go. In the early stage, very troublesome and not satisfied already. Do you think you can get the keys? What are the possibility they fail to complete the property? Will they charged extra % GST by April 2015? Unit smaller, but price higher? really is “Asia Green” style.

let them sell to other willing buyer then.. it is a buyer market now..

ya don buy la, but they wont, they wiilling to cheat by developer, thats y keep property price keep increase ==

To buy or not is trully a personal choice.
To those who are interested and considering to buy I believe there is still a chance to complain to the developer as long as you have not signed the sale & purchase agreement. Has anyone of you submitted your complaints to the developer in writing? Do you think it will be a more effective way compared to verbal negotiations and discussions?

Really will never learn. Oh well. I bet Asia Green is very happy to have customer like you, which they can take advantage over and over again. Because they know, they have a pool of buyers which can accept any junk they will deliver at the end of the day.

Our developers are so spoilt…

I have cancelled my unit in mid May’14, and guest what? They can’t promise when to return my RM10k deposit, they said may be Jun, May or Jul or even later date. Huhhhh….. only RM10k, is it so difficult just to refund that RM10k? In fact it’s only RM9820 after deducting the RM180 credit card interest charges.

@cyn

Are they really in financial trouble?

RM10K also need so long? Obviously this developer is very low class and super lousy. No words can describe further on their reputation. If you guys can even get your keys on time, its like miracle come true. Expect more delays and no compensation as they are good in manipulating terms and conditions to cheat ignorant buyers.

@cyn

Get more details before you speak, developer never holds any deposit. Its the lawyer firm that holds it.

@Wow

Come on, give some constructive comments. Don’t always spread your negativity here. If you dont like it, just go off from here. No one bothers, dont raise your publicity here.

I am not interested to the developer financial status once I have made the decision to drop the unit, I just want my deposit back, whether it is withheld by the developer, agent, legal firm or etc, I think no excuses are necessary for only RM9k+, and that’s it, I will close my chapter for Clovers project. When I cancelled my unit and the sales staff told me, they may refund in Jun, I double confirm whether it’s real and asked them to make a remark in the cancellation letter, they changed their mind and said, well, it may be Jul, I stop asking anymore, they will not have any answer for it.

@Blabla
I hate negative comments! But you see there is no constructive comments when comes to Asia Green properties. I am sorry if you are one of the ignorant buyers. You can always go off from here too. Opps, you work for Asia Green aren’t you? No wonder…

@Wow
Wow, i very agreed your message and same view with you too!

Any good updates? Anyone start on loan.

Latest updates which I only heard last wednesday was Asia Green needs to resubmit their plan again for some minor change on the car park.. So a potential 3month further delay on top of current progress.

@Tina, I didn’t notice there is any changes they made to MPPP, you may check out the FB page: The Clovers, Penang for more updates….
between….where u heard the news from?

@cp,
yup……few banks already can process for the loan and I’m personally accepted bank loan offers but I’ll on hold to sign SNP and pay the balances until the they have the official stamping date.

What if during SnP, developer comes with a 36+12 for construction completion?

If this does happen, don’t sign. But I don’t think this will happen as the developer has to follow the standard SnP.

@tina
i checked with MPPP as well and didn’t find any changes for the plan. they submitted the building plan and subdivision plan so they are pending approval.
I don’t know why the government keep delaying and doing things so slow…maybe developer hasn’t given enough money..haha

I know some of you calling us stupid for accepting the new changes and keep the unit but where to find this price range in the market now with this kind of project concept? The developer might not be good at planning/work with government but they do complete and developed few past projects that i personally like especially the hilltop villas! I just want the project to start and complete so i can finally move in! Eventually there’s need to be solution, if we make things worst, most of us who really want the project will suffer and get nothing out of it. We just need to move on… and make decision.

this is my first home that i finally can afford and i was frustrated with the delay already but at this moment i just want things to go smoothly so i can actually own a property!

CYN, pls leave a note here when u receive ur cheque. Thanks.

I personally find the project still attractive considering its overall concept and its built up layout (quite practical). bigger area in facility podium (4block to 3 block).
It’s quite frustrating with all this long wait & delay and getting housing loan is tougher nowaday. Could this be a blessing in disguise where lesser investor in this project?
I’ve obtained loan approved and waiting for the signing of SPA. Finger crossed and hope no more further delay.

You can have your decision on whether to continue or discontinue. But please do not judge mine.

@Lim Lim

Like!

I have cancelled my booked unit in mid May, now got back RM9830 from lawyer office, TQ to AG. Good luck to Clovers buyer and AG.

Hi, is there any units left for The Clover?

@cyn
I have cancelled the booking also as I personally find the project is NOT so attractive now as after the changed plan there have abt 10 lifts per floor which is the breaking record for a property and also luxury property, which is not so gd in terms of f.shui and privacy and layout. I think this project have many investors as they holding the project is jz because of psf value is cheaper than the current market value, even though keep complaining about the ag. You can have your own decision on whether to continue or discontinue but please do not judge mine.

I have cancelled my booking too. Timing of the launch is bad.

AG can Suka Suka change the ori facing bought. Cancelled too even feel sayang on the $$$.

@megan
lim lim n megan…

the developer actually is a very good designer and have a very good track record huh…

Good until they can delay the project for two years without compensate purchaser yet still wanna get extra money from them,

good until no single news update for two years,

good until Block B purchasers were forced to change their original unit,

good until ask the loyal purchasers add monies to accept it or leave it as there still a lots of new buyer waiting for it….

how much did you guys buy the unit during the launch time? i went there just now and the cheapest unit in block c is rm794000 before 6% rebate.

@Wow

fully support u WOW!!!

very funny to see blabla force ppl to give constructive comments in public forum and try to chase ppl away from the forum…. this guy is much more naive than me…hahaha…

different ppl has different preferences & situation.
It’s their mistake for not be able to deliver even with the government new requirements which i don’t care who prob really is. In my situation and affordability, i choose to stay on and that’s my choice. I have my own prob and liking and i believe this project will turn out great, so whoever might miss the boat…that’s their prob too.
Just because someone doesn’t like it doesn’t mean you can judge others who still like it! It’s my money and my choice in the end. Anyway, i made up my mind and i believe things still need to move on so rather than not making decision, i prefer to get thing moving and done and hoping the developer will do the same!!!

phs :how much did you guys buy the unit during the launch time? i went there just now and the cheapest unit in block c is rm794000 before 6% rebate.

wah price increase 100k for cheapest unit? mine high floor pool view 6xxk before 6% rebate, worth to wait, hope delay again then can earn more ==

@sungai ara wah… then now expensive…

@phs
I think they are selling same price for tower A or B withdraw units.
Can check with them….. i also see that they have few smaller units available at tower B for sale…

June :@phs I think they are selling same price for tower A or B withdraw units.Can check with them….. i also see that they have few smaller units available at tower B for sale…

If like that does not fair for those buyers locked inthe price since 2 years ago.
Somemore, request additional money from the buyer? fair?

I believe that the developer not doing well in term of sale as they need to maintain their reputation. therefore, resale those withdraw unit silent to other buyers…..

During current slow market, it’s buyer market and not seller market.
As a developer, they should serve buyer well.
The buyer is not purchasing few hundred ringgit product/service and it is hundred thousand.
As a buyer, you must think twice before commited.

@kanasai

No, all sell at new price. RM450-RM500 per sqft. Each floor will have incremental cost as well. Its not true as what mentioned by June.

I hv got loan approved but i cancel the unit as tis luxury unit is seem dont like luxury. Normal unit also seem dont like normal unit. Dont know how to say. Can be said half half. So not sure how can sell for 800k or 1m after completed?

@BB
U not understand what is june mentioned. He is true.

I am just giving friendly advice. You have to know that the developer borrowed a lot of money to purchase the land. Together with other costs , they are bleeding money with this long delay. I think AG is a big company and should be able to complete the project but so far the stories I am hearing in this forum reflects AG as a company that cannot manage their project well and did not do their homework properly. I am aware people are desperate to own an affordable home of their own, so I advise them to ask the developer a lot of hard questions. I got burnt before, 20 years ago, and lost about RM50K. But I learnt my lesson and put it to good use – I usually buy completed units. And if I have to buy new, buy from reputable developer. Lastly, don’t be greedy, be patient and don’t make hasty decision. I am not saying AG is bad. It sounds like a big listed company …

jess2 :
@BB
U not understand what is june mentioned. He is true.

Eh what does she mean actually? I may interpreted another way round

@phs

Hi, I have a unit facing the swimming pool at 18 floors, guess the best facing of black A, selling at 680k. Unit numbers range from 04 to 07.

Please let me know if you are interested. 012-4699545

@phs

Hi, I have a unit for sell, offering 680K facing pool, anyone interested here?

What???? You mean many of you here has waited like 2years since you made the first deposit booking? But until now still see nothing? Another year means a high rise can complete already loh..

they are selling the same price per sq ft wise (after additional sq ft added) with additional premiere as well but i still think it is good buy for tower A & B. Tower C is more expensive but to them it is the best tower with best view…. i think it is depends.

@megan

Have you sign any loan offer letter from bank?

They seem dont care you want or dont want after 2 yrs. If you dont want, just give you back deposit. If you want, shut your mouth.

Hi guys,
One of the AG agent sms me today for requesting me to sign up the agreement letter as soon as possible or by end of this month or they will cancel off my unit automatically. Have anyone of you guys receive the same sms? I’m planning not to sign the agreement letter yet as I’m not agreee with the extra cost I need to bear by the developer mistake. so basically there are many of us still pending to sign the agreement letter right?

i think part of the reason for the delay of it is because of buyer dont want to sign the agreement. if dont want to sign then just dont buy take back the rm10k.

@Kentuckie

Kentuckie, I think you are too late to voice out your concern. I believe buyers who are yet to sign left a few and most of them are either cancel the project or bear with it. As we are the buyer, often we cant do much as human/consumers rights are not practiced in Malaysia basically.

@Blabla and affected,

Meaning to say the additional RM20k is like rupiah currency for the rich guys, so let’s say AG plan start to alter again, buyers are willing to absorb the additional charges again…?
How sure this is the first and the last plan changes for the clovers project?

Hey guys i think we want the project to going lets find a away for all the benifts of clovers buyer. Seriously i hate the developer but i really want the project to be getting it done asap. Additional anyone know any updates from the developer on signing the SNP?

Please check on the Asia green website i dont know that the clover had so many different type of layout ? This look like asia green trying the maximize they earning. abit disappointed .

•Type A & B (1598psf) Block A, Block C
•Type C & D (1394psf) Block A Block C
•Type E (776psf) Block B
•Type F ( 1012psf ) Block B
•Type G ( 900 psf ) Block B
•Type H (728psf) Block B
•Penthouse A
•Penthouse B
•Penthouse C
•Penthouse D
•Penthouse J
http://www.the-clovers.com/floor.html

@pp
As I know, they haven’t get the approval for start working from goverment.

Initially I didn’t blame the developer for delay the project as I know it was due to goverment that hold the thing not their fault. But now I really dissapointed with their attitude.

Last time we bought it because of the DIBS, location, design, and reasonalble price. Now after two years, they change the design, never mind, coz it is bcoz of goverment’s requirement. No more DIBS, also nevermind, bcoz of goverment’s policy, not their fault, and also they agreed to compensate with RM 30k after project completed. But now end up to force us who booking it two years ago and maybe in their eyes we are so call stupid buyer to pay another 25-30k for their own stupid mistake. If u complaint, the stupid agents trained by the developer will tell u that it is still cheap compare with other project but they so stupid until dont know what is the market price at that area two years ago. This one I totally cannot accept.

But it’s ok, let c what will happen at the end, I believed in karma…

I fully agree with de dar joe! If the developer can’t make any promises to get the land pilling 2 years ago, why should we bear the additional cost? No proper planning from AG but only artistic drawing from their website….

I am sure they didn’t contribute enough money to the authority la…if not how can they delay project for 2 years. I was in this line before, the authority win all~
Now atleast the plans approved and they going to start work in August… should be no more delay kuah! They said they will pre-sign the S&P in this month since their BP will approved next week!! meaning no more changes d~

I received the text and i quickly read through the agreement….
and it is expired! so if we don’t confirm with them or sign new agreement we have no right to claim the unit!!
the lawyer needs to refund us no matter what….so now no choice d. I will go over tmr to cancel or sign depends if they can still nego. if not also no point holding the unit, as technically can’t be claimed… i rather take back my money than who knows if i can get back my deposit if i keep delay better do it now!

for those who dont like the changes better release the unit and get back their deposits. no point holding everyone back..

Wow :RM10K also need so long? Obviously this developer is very low class and super lousy. No words can describe further on their reputation. If you guys can even get your keys on time, its like miracle come true. Expect more delays and no compensation as they are good in manipulating terms and conditions to cheat ignorant buyers.

@Kentuckie
then we should buy when they complete the project and we don’t just base on those 3D drawing… but then… we won’t get the preview early bird price guess high risk high return..
We shall read through the agreement carefully before we purchase because it did state there that they can change and agreement last for 2 years if they cant make it in 2 years they have to refund and the unit is cancel no matter what or sign a new agreement. Should have read the agreement first… but that time the price & project were so attractive!! Now it is 750k/800k and above d.

It is so hard to get loan now, wonder whether this project can start this year or not.

Don’t know why AG is so desperate that they want all buyers to pre-sign the S&P. Do they state it black and white they will stamp the S&P within a week? Many other developers allow up to 2 months to get your loan before they call you to sign the S&P.

@Choo
I think they want to gain back the confident of the purchasers la… pre-sign is making sure no more changes d. They also scare la…so many more projects coming up… They allow ppl to start looking for loan now and they are not collecting the remaining 10% yet until stamping in Oct i think so got some time to figure our loan~
i know the developer style one..

@morgan

The best way to gain back confident from the purchasers is to start the pilling even before pre-signing the S&P..

Pre-sign S&P but don’t know when to stamp is not.

@Choo
then i think the developer no need to rush for pre-signing lo… i know they said they will have ground breaking ceremony in august so assuming stamping in Oct…. then should just pre-sign in August or Oct…. no point to pre-sign also. no money collect one for them… interesting strategy leh~
since i was in the line before..i know they sure increase price when they start work! they will increase whenever they get the chance to!!

I wish to let go my unit at 17th floor which is facing teluk kumbar anyone who interested pls contact 0164260639

I wish to sell my unit at 17th floor which is facing teluk kumbar anyone who interested pla contact 0164260639

Any updates on the clovers project. Anyone already sign the pre-s&p?

I booked a unit which 1k sqft. how come here only have 1.3k sqft only… the 1k sqft around 500k