Orange Villa – Bukit Mertajam
Orange Villa is a gated and guarded development, a prime residential enclave beckons with its 124 units of terraces, 16 semi-detached and two bungalows. This housing scheme is located just off the ever bustling Jalan Song Ban Kheng, Bukit Mertajam. Within walking distance to schools and other public amenities, and a mere minute drives to Auto City and Penang Bridge.
Residents also have the assurance of peace of mind with the round the clock security besides reveling in clubhouse facilities such as swimming and wading pools, gymnasium, sauna, exercise corner, BBQ area, meeting room, jogging path and Jacuzzi.
3-storey Terrace
- Width: 22 feets
- Built-up Area: 3,770 sq.ft. onwards
- No. of Rooms: 5+1
- Roof Top Garden
- Indicative Price: RM 548,800 onwards
3-storey Semi-Detached
- Built-up Area: 3,915 sq.ft.
- No. of Rooms: 5+1
- Roof Top Garden
- Indicative Price: RM 693,800 onwards
Project Name: Orange Villa
Location : Bukit Mertajam, Penang
Property Type : 3-Storey Terrace & Semi-Detached
Other Phases: Orange Villa 2
Developer : Tah Wah Land
Contributed by @AhTu (17/2/2012)
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Contributed by @Orange Juice (26/3/2012)
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@GH
Like this, better get Harmoni Residences
Developers have to submit the latest housing data (Borang 7f) twice a year, June and December. Submissions later than 21 July or 21 Jan would resulted in a fine between 50,000-250,000…
so i dont think the data is outdated….
i have a doubt on the data updates to JPN website as i do not see the last update time and date on the page. without this, the integrity of the data should be used for reference only.
Just received sms frm TW regarding OV Phase 2.
Where is the location? Price? TQ
@Ferragammo
Just before guard house, on the left hand side
usually trick from developer. if the first phase cant sell, built a second phase…slight more expensive with smaller built…then the first phase will sell…
from the horse’s mouth himself…
@Ferragammo
The quality of workmanship and material given by TW is low class quality, just heard fren from OV purchase club saying got purchaser complaining to TW regarding quality of workmanship but being ignored by them ! heard got photos to prove somemore ! You can check with OV purchase club if you’re not believe me !
TW promised to deliver best quality house to buyers before sales done, but when the sales is on, low class quality house will be delivered by them !
Please double check their quality on workmanship/materials given before you buy from TW !
First project already make purchaser angry, how to sustain the sales in future ?
Yup, this is true. i just login to OVPG facebook. There got pictures uploaded by purchaser, can see bad quality on workmanship delivered by TWH ! i think their big boss – Mr YW Hong is sleeping always, not even go to site to sport check their worker’s works especially site engineers. Mr YW Hong, TWH’s site engineers and bangla workers all sleeping always ! No hope…
So bad this developer?
@AngryBird7
i canot find any OVPG facebook page????
only if you are a member of the OV Purchaser Club…
Yup, quality is bad. They just build good quality on the walls that u can see it, to make u think that their quality is best, but some outside and inside walls that hidden from your eye sight are in bad quality ! Join the OV Purchaser club if you are not believe it !
Anyone here buy the show unit? Your house’s wall starting cracks…please take note.
I am back.
something is very wrong here, why TahWah sell cheaper here for OV2? This totally not helping OV1 purchaser and let they feel OV1 price have drop. May be TahWah realise they have actually over price OV1 already. This is totally wasting my time of promoting them.
Just see the site, disappointed!! The brick wall was not build properly!! Really no good. I advice those who want to buy OV1/OV2, when you visit to their show house, take a few step to walk to ther show house (un-reno one) and also those house that actual building, observe their brick wall (pls see before they cement it and hike it), you will defenetely jump and piss off. Dissappointed with this developer, seling such a quality house with this kind of quality. Seem like purchase act like their Quality Manager. All TahWah staff are sleeping !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Before you sign S&P, their sales manager will say to you: “Well…We will always look for delivering a good quality and material house since this is our first project…. Don’t worry ! ”
After you signed S&P and when you feedback on the possiblity on defects of quality/material given, their sales manager will say to you: “Well….This is bayond Tah Wah’s control, all will be under contractor and architect’s responsibility, they’re the one approved the works, not Tah Wah !…..”
This is my first time seen so un-resposible developer ! Very piss off…
You can try asking their sales manager and see what i wrote here is true or bull shit!!
To Chief of TW – Uncle Hong, wake up please !!!!!
I afraid my house also having bad quality of workmanship like the others !!!!!!!
After see some buyers comment on quality given…… Luckily i not buy !!!!
Why this developer not pay attention to buyer complaints on QUALITY? This is more than half millions house in BM ! New developer is like that, only focus on earning, not focus on ISO standard as what big branded company did !! Buy Harmoni Residence by Airmas better !
datuk Hong, wake up please !!! no more sleeping !!!! We need a quality house from Tah Wah!!! i cannot enter into site to see my house as your guard blocked me, not sure my house also will also got defects mentioned by OV purchaser club member now. i afraid the quality due to bad workmanship issues provided by TW also happen to my house now !!!!
Wake up please !!!!!!!!!!!
just check the staircase handrail.
from the point of design, it is normal but better than the previous one.
from the point of safety, it’s still yacky.
TW has taken input from buyer to improve the quality of house which is a good point. But it must also do it with heart and not just for “show” only. my advice to potential buyer, please go through the forum for input and think twice or more before making the final decision.
They have done the staircase, if you ask me to give marks,
10% failed when show house launch (lousy metal rail and too dangerous)
35% still failed after improve with wooden hander (too shaky and can vibrate very easily)
Why take so hard and so long to change and still look bad. Is developer have heart to improve? Who is their QA Manager? Project Manager? Why the sale manager Miss lee and catherine did not do a feedback to Mr Hong? Why Mr Cheong easily accept the shaky quality of the wooden hand rail? Developer got heart to improve or not? Or just treat buyer or potential buy as 3 yrs kids buying sweet?
@YipMan
Looking on the damn bad “quality” on the brick wall’s pictures posted in orange villa buyer club, i don’t think they’ve QA manager ! Their eyes only have money, money and money, so i think they definitely have Sales Manager and Money Manager !
i agree. This is so true ! please la tah wah, don’t push the quality question to your company appointed architect when buyer complaint the quality issue to you ! This is your housing project and you should responsible on it. It is irresiponsible and unethical to push all workmanship/material quality issue to your architect and maincon !
i think developer not enough money to buy brick walls, if not why the last 4- 5 rows near top of the ground floor’s stab got thick mortar between each of the bricks? Or they wanted to save the cost of the bricks ! come on tah wah, the cost of bricks is cheap only, please give quality work lah, don’t steal buyer’s bricks pls !
This developer too rush to get the house completed without caring the quality on their workmanship, the material provided also low class one! Really regret to buy house from this developer ! KN Sai!
i went to the show house with happy feeling to see new improve staircase handrail today, but back home with TL feeling after see the staircase, it still can shake when i shaked it. This Tahwah really need to focus on quality end, no doubts their quality is questionable !
If later got any incidents happened to my grandson because of this ‘laubei’ & shaking handrail, i’ll sure sue tahwah !
@OoiPek
Agree with u OoiPek. twh need to bear the responsilbity if any incident/injuring happen due to their house design, quality and material given under this project in future.
hahaha…..luckily i didn’t buy any houses from this low class developer !
Tah Wah group? first time heard on this developer name. Normally no name developer is like that, before getting your tumbprint in S&P document, they’ll smile and behave politely to u, they will threat u like a King. But after your tumbprint in S&P, haha. u will find 360 degree change in their altitude, they will not bother on your complaints, u are just a slave to them now! Beware of buying from no name developer !
Agree with u. TWH sales manager, miss lee only know how to make her boss happy with the sales figure !! She just concern on sales figure, quality issue will put a side by her lo !
Bad developer ! OV phase 2 will be on the road next month, better check the quality on workmanship/material first before u decided to buy !
better buy Permatang Santuary by branded developer – IJM Land, they focus on quality delivery !
sorry, chicken smell….. for permatang sanctury
a href=”#comment-47790″>@AhTu
Don’t understand. OV2 is 1 storey less than OV1 and without swimming pool. Definate the price will be lower.
@Grace
PS chicken smell better than cheap material/quality given by TW!
@B2
The price is not lower…it is the same price those first phase buyer paid for when it is first launched…but with every new launch, the price keep going up…
TahWah so bad to buyer? Why they’re so ego? Because of the project in good location?
Agree. this tahwah treat their customer badly ! i saw it with my own eyes when i went to visit their show house last saturday. i saw one buyer complaining to their sales person on the quality of workmanship , they talked on something on brick wall ….the sales person(after asked around, just know that sales rep actually is tahwah sales manager) just ignore that buyer’s complaint and try to avoid talking or pay attention to that buyer !
I noticed that their show unit already got certain minor cracks here and there, i think that buyer’s complaint is true ! Looking on the way on how tahwah treat that buyer, i decided not to register for OV2 project ! i’m doubt on their credibility on promising the quality and high end house for OV2 project !
@Ah beng
Yeah, it is in good location and they have had successfully conned many buyers to buy OV1 by empty promises. Still remember then, Sales manager promised me to deliver a good quality house without fail as this is TW first project…….but now, you can judge by your own selves by looking at their show unit and tw’s response to the buyers’ complaints….
sad to say…some buyers are being conned to buy phase 1 during recent OV2 registration…
TW should not build the show house and I think they will not build any show house in the future. The show house suppose to help sales, but ended up with so many bad comments. I don’t think it helps sales at all.
So many buyer not happy, but see not see anyone cancelled the unit. Funny
The buyers are willing to cancel the units if there is no loss at buyers side. The cancellation would cause the buyer to suffer substantial loss.
wonder will the club house and swimming pool build with same quality???
How much?
MW and Sad is definitely the same person.
PLease do your homework before making such a comment, do u know that nowadays most of the developer is using the sand brick for their project and even the reputable one.
You can see many reputable and establish developer is using sand brick for their project and i dont see anyone HuHa over there, you know why coz all this people like MV, Sad and those with hand rail comments, i believe they are the same person, their comments are so biased for such a petty matter. Alrite, letz get back to the topic, project by reputable and establish developer. Eg. Regency by IJM (Near to E-gate) , White Lily (Minden Heights), Mutiara Residence @ Balik Pulau Town by Malton and so many more.
Pearl Regency by IJM (E-gate)
10% of purchase price…
plus legal fees and stamping duty…
@AndyLau
Tahwah know if buyer signed snp and wanted to cancel it now, buyer will suffer huge loss in term of monetary, not them !
@JC
hard to say, since Tahwah not really care on the quality of workmanship/material, hope swimming pool or 4 toilets in 1st and 2nd floor will not leaking later !
@JC
ya ya ya agreed with you
If super-big swimming pool leaking the buyers have to repair it ler,
TahWah gone with the money already!
For those facing swimming pools unit and you plan to sell at no loss and no gain (actual original purchase price plus legal fees). do contact me.
I heard a lot of bad rumours about TW, after wonder for so long, I just went to OV2 launching, I think it’s nice, unlike the description here. Here people doubt OV1 don’t have good sales, but when I asked, OV1 just left around 20 units out of 120+ units.
Therefore, in this “talk” we should really judge the comments wisely because ANYONE could just post anything here. It is better to use our own eyes to prove it.
Maybe admin should apply charges on comments here, so people will appreciate the comment chances, use it wisely.
And sometimes I wonder the real PURPOSE of “talk”ing here, property how come relates to the staff? No offence, just a personal view.
We’re not talking on given sandbrick, we’re talking on quality of workmanship provided by tahwah under this project ! u can see the bad quality of workmanship if you’re one of the OV purchaser club, the pictures are posted there ! Please don’t simply comment it before u see those pictures !
@BWBuyer
If u are one of the OV purchaser club member, then u can see all the mails responded by tahwah when buyers making compliants to them which related to workmanship/materials, with evidence as well ! But they’re pushing all responsibilities to other parties when complaints was filed to them !
We all in the OVPG are buying for own stay not for investment, we just want a quality works + quality materials from Twh so that all buyers including us will receive a free defects house from them when they’re passing house key to us later, this property price up or down is not a matter for us !
if you’re seeing the defects in term of quality works or material given under this project during the time of construction works, as a genuine buyer, u should complaint to them now. if you’re planning to wait until you get the house key then only u’ll make a complaints to them, that’s too late already ! The later on fixing works will make your new house dirty too. They may con u back with the reason the defects you’re complaining are due to your renovation works, not did by them !
@Song
Your comments make sense !!! Fully support you even i m not the buyer here.
@Song
I fully agree with you. In fact, sand bricks used is not the issue here. The big problem is the developer allows the workers to use broken pieces to built the wall and this would have impact to the house structure. Minor impact is wall cracks,major is house collapse.
We just need to talk about the cracks. The cracks is very difficult to handle. Most the developers would only apply silicone on the cracks after you made a complaint. But the cracks will come back after a year. The warranty period is only three years, what about after warranty period?
Thus, the foundation must be strong and the workmanship must follow the guideline and the standard….
Who said TW used broken sand bricks to build house?
@JC
Their sale manager told us that it will build according to the poster in the advestisment. Do you believe?
Like that all buyers should station there to make sure no broken sand bricks are used to build their home, until OC. What else they can do?
@Alma
Pls go to the site and see with you own eye. So many photo have been post in the FB of the club. Pls see by you own eye! It is real.
@In laws
Group up and go to see Mr Cheong and Hong in a big group. Dare?
@SPTan
I morally support you. Quite busy with my work.
@Alma
Photo tells….
Can show me the photos?
anyone know about unit 18 semi-d, is it behind majistret court
the show house also build as per brochure/poster but quality seem…..
if you are the genuine buyer, u can join the OV buyer club, you can see the photos from there.
The idea is good, at least can let tahwah know buyers are concern on the quality of workmanship and materials such as broken brick walls used, uneven brick walls placed by their workers and etc.
But i don’t think buyers interested to complaint to tahwah big boss ! i will join u all if u all plan to go to tahwah office to make a complaint, just wanted to ensure tahwah deliver a quality house to me when OC obtained !
@SPTan
Bricks are fillers and plaster is just the “skin” of the wall. Structure and foundation of a building are not made of bricks. The reinforced concrete framework (the beams and pillars) of the house and the foundation (the concrete cast at the base of a building) are what holds the building together. Therefore cracks appearing on walls is not caused by sand bricks or broken bricks. They may appear because of uneven land settlement or when foundation is weak, causing the framework to warp. Sand bricks or broken bricks wud certainly not cause a building to collapse.
True. Bricks won’t be the cause of the crack on the wall. In fact, so far i haven’t see any house/ condo without cracks.
Minor crack is ok as when the cement work drying time is different, cause uneven pressure on the wall surface. This happened because they cannot wait for the cement work totally dry before apply the surface coating.
However, major crack is another story.
About the broken bricks, I didn’t see the picture, but it is used at top role of the wall, it is normal. This is because the bricks can’t totally fit to the full wall height. Some developer make the bricks slanting at the top row, and some use bricks that broke into the height needed. If this is not happen at the top row, different story.
And for the defects…. you need to wait until VC. There will be time for you to inspect your unit, and a form for you to fill in the defects in your unit. And normally, there will be defect, be it IJM or Marshing. You can’t start and renovation until the defects were repaired. You may need to push developer if you need to move it fast. After renovation, developer will not entertain any defect that could be caused by your contractor. Of course, they still reliable for items that cannot be caused by your contractor. Complaint during the construction phase, may not be effective.
Just my experience sharing and may not be 100% correct.
@Jim
May be u’re from developer proxies, but if u’re not, my advise to u is it is too late if u’re waiting till building collapse, then just only make your complaints to developer !! As u can see, simple job such as putting up the brick walls also cannot be handled well by tahwah’s bangla workers and can see the defects on the hidden/inside walls which is out from customer’s eyes sight, don’t mention their bangla workers can handling other tough job such as piling, beams and pillar lah…!!!!
@Bryan
Every buyers wanted a quality house and free from any defects when VC including you i believe ! you can go and ask around, who want a new completed and > than half million price of house which having defects when VC ? Noone want it.
A responsibility developer should ensure they’re delivering a free defects house to buyer. Unless you’re referred to irresponsible developer, that is different storey!
A good and responsible developer should take seriously customer’s complaints especially on quality issues ! Just sharing my views here!
@WS
Totally agree:) . I know there is impossible to be 100% free defect, at least there is no major one. hairline cracks the buyers are willing to accept but not other things else. HE.He..
Truely agree ! Placing the brick wall is an easy task but they did it like “Sai” now, how can we trust the developer can deliver the quality works & material in this project?
Agree with your comment cause having same experience with this developer – i think this developer having altitude problem, they don’t know how to deal with customer, all they know is pushing the responsibilty to their “partners” – their architect la, their main constractor la, their sub contractor la… all issues regarding quality of workmanship & materials are not under their site manager care, they’ll push all resposibility to their “partners” when you are making compliant to them. so suxk !
They’ll tell you – “Don’t worry, when the vacant time, you’ll have 24 mths to check on any defects to your house, we’ll fix for you if major defects found…” ..wau lau eh, is that mean developer also expected the house they build will have defects after VC? Looks likes right now they also scare to given promise on quality delivery, their says are totally different before and after buy ! Really kane..
i guess there’ll be another fighting on arguments between buyers and twh when vacant time if twh not focusing on quality issue in construction phase… beware all buyers !!
@tah
Before you buy, you better ask twh on quality issue first!
@wahlaueh
I know the answer. “Do not worry. TW quality is assured”.
Quantity is absolute…you can measure. Quality is subjective….can argue until the cows come home!
Go to the show house and check the so called improved handrail’s in term of safety.
it’s still shaky……. if can’t fix this minor hiccup. i reckon how far this developer can go further.
lame
Left 20+ units since early this year… seems like they are not going to sell any more unit.
All developers responsible for their deliverables, if your sub-con delivered lousy workmanship, you bear the responsibility…. don’t even try to push the responsibility to your contractors or suppliers. Unless you are telling the world you are not competent.
for TW, quality only exist in their ‘sweet’ mouth…
hehe
We will meet at the show house this coming Sat 11am. Let see how many will come. All complainant, pls print out all photo of the defect or complaint to developer. We only ask to meet Mr Hong, if Mr Hong not free, we will ask to meet him next day, Sun 11.00am, then we will come again. Else, we will ask everydays until their promotion end after Raya. Fyi, their show house open everyday until Raya time.
I am number#1 …. who is number#2 … and #3 …. and so on? Good to have above 10 buyers to face them.
@quality accessor
Miss Lee, sound like they are implying you. Why you still not feedback to Mr Hong on all this? Afraid to tell truth? Rice bowl? If i am developer staff, i have earlier quit this job already, as i could not continue tell empty promise without showing sincerity of doing improvement? good eg. is the shaky wooden hand rail, why you did help to advice Mr Hong that this will surely be a problem and complain item to buyer. Pls show to us.
Haha. This is the consequences of the developer who has disappointed real buyer, and causing them hardly sell the remaining units. 2ndly, This also impact their development plan of launching OV phase2, which developer have to sell lower price (with smaller unit). Seldom developer sell lower here, except Tw. Shame.
I am No#2
@WS
I understand your feeling. I have gone through this at least 4 times. The best quality I got is from a contractor Paraxxxxt, but still not less than 10 defects I filed after VC.
In most of the projects like OV, developer gave the project contract for different contractors for different jobs. And for the construction, during progressive phase, it is under the care of the contractor, not developer. Any complaint on the workmanship at this time can be easily turned down by the contractor by just saying, “I still have’t finish my work”. And for the bricks case, as long as the contractor can proof that the test on the wall is within the specification required in the contract, the developer really can’t do anything. I am not sure how frequent the developer can check the quality during the construction phase. What I know is the first major QC by the developer will be when the contractor handover the project to developer. After pass the QC, there will be inspection by government and bomba, then only can get VC and CF.
Therefore, the comments in this thread regarding TW push the quality responsibility to their partners, could be partially true.
And of course, TW is never a branded or well known developer to me, and they don’t have any past record to show. As when I enter their show house compared to RH, the quality and workmanship is really at different level.
For sure, I can say this because I haven’t commit any unit yet. I am looking forward on their OV2, but if the price > 500K, I got to say no.
Anyway, it will be great if anyone can post the defect photos somewhere that I will be able to access. Appreciate that.
@Bryan
Yeah, you might be true. But what made the buyers went nuts is the developer’s attitude. Even though is under the care of her contractors, at least after receiving the complaint TW should investigate and look into the complaints but not push the responsibility to others. The buyers are buying houses from the developer, deal with the developer but not the contractors……
I agree. If anything happen to OV, TW will get the bad name, not contractor or architect. One thing to stress here is buyers are buying house from TW, not contractor or architect !!!!!!
Sounds like TW wants to buyers to deal directly with the contractors or sub-contractors for any workmanship issue, must be first in Malaysia…
i dont agree with you….infact this is the first project in Malaysia that the buyers start to complain and make big huha before the houses is handed over to the buyer. last time complain about the staircase design and now the brickwall and handrail shaky issue.
very sien, you can see the sabotager is back using multiple names. now talking about staging protest at their showhouse but forgot to mention bringing along the journalist and adun. very funny and petty. now this forum is hot again…hehe
@pacman
Well, you must be from developer i believe. Buyers complaining on quality & safety issues in this project, but you said they’re sabotager. Funny!
I’m #3. But i believe we’ll get the same answer from TW; “The house is not hand over to you yet, if you want to complaint, wait till OC pass/vacant time.”
@pacman
the buyers also felt sien. Have not taken the Vc already got quality issues. Could not imagine what the buyers will get by the time hand over…. Ask yourself, do you like the house which has so many defects?? This is more than half million, you know?? The buyers are not deserved to get these all…..
aiyo mak, war between buyer and proxies started again…score so far 1-0
Buyers frustration, dissatisfaction and complaints should be taken care of by the developer directly. Don’t think the sales or manager should pass on the responsibility to their contractor, no matter what.
agree & i like this comment !!
@JJ
What you said is ideally true, but sad to say that malaysia is still a developer market. When developer no more reputation, and cannot sell their future project anymore, just close it down and form other company maybe TX and start selling again. There are many developers only built 1~2 projects then gone already.
Maybe I should think twice about this project since many negative comments and don’t have much time to look into the details.
Any recommendation on the project nearby? BM residence is out and RH too expensive. Any others? Appreciate and Thx!
@Penangite
we are not intend to tarnish developer name here, we’re telling the truth in fact, to give buyers aware on quality issues which their unit might face too! photos in OV purchaser club will tell mores ! from the photos, you can see the double standards in term of quality of workmanship provided by TW’s workers on the brick wall works. for the quality of handrail, you can go to OV show unit and try to shake it, feel it by urself ! it still shaky but no doubt it is better than before we make the complaint to TW, but we’re not sure it will post any safety issues to our family in future since it still shaky!
photos in OV purchaser club can tell a bit on quality of workmanship in this project, now we only can see the defects on workmanship of the brick walls which is within our eyesight, more exact meaning here is outer part of the brick wall, the other parts of walls such as inner and side brick walls are blind to us, that make us worry on quality of their workmanship ! When one of the buyer make complaint to them regarding quality issue, the way TW replied to customer is like pushing all responsiblity to external party. That is irresponsible feedback i think !
Also the new setup handrail in show unit can tell more on the quality of given material. Go to feel it yourself !
As some of the buyers claimed here, we’re buying more than half million house from TW, not from their partner company – their appointed main contractor, architect company..
So which part do you think we’re tarnish developer name here?
Not funny. This is a very good forum for all purchaser to voice out here to let public pressure developer. Actually developer will launch a few more project include condoninium in BW or BM. With this kind of attitude, 100% sure purchaser will continue to haunting them.
@Buyer35
I would say 95% of the complain items and defects are real. It affected my unit also.\
Sp tan, i will be No5 to meet you all at the show house on Sat, 11am. I have get ready a list of defect list and photo taken, together an official letter to meet Mr Hong. Hope to see you all there.
@SexyMeiMei
Hi SexyMeiMei, hope to see you on Sat, see how real you are.
Come join us. I hope developer will sue us, to let us make more gain. If they lose the law sue, then we will reward at least RM20K to RM35K as compensation. 95% of the complain item are real. Why developer still want to ‘knock his own head to the wall’ by sue-ing purchaser?
That why we said, we welcome developer to sue purchaser, to let us make more money!
Are you going to quit with this kind of boss attitude. We know you are following boss direction of keep silent on all the complain. By you need to work with good principle, if boss have not good business etique, you better quit and dont continue be purchaser’s centre of target. Else, you are reprensentation developer, you will be the first line target. Bad for you. Better you call it quit.
I can see purchaser response is follow the quality offered here. If developer really make purchaser happy, this forum will fill with good comment. Trust me, it will. Only empty mouth promise will deliver good quality is not enough, miss lee, mr cheong have to show buyer real action. The new wooden hand railing, really un-acceptable. Who actually give this stupid design? internal developer designer? or external designer? could any one enlighten me?
hi everybody, I m one of the purchase(using real surname) who have already pay 10k booking, developer now chasing me to sign S & P, but after so many complain on this forum, i think i better hold until this sat, wait & c what is the respond of the developer, but any how, anybody can tell me, if i cancel my booking, how much is my lost….
i think wooden handrail is good but the problem is developer not using 100% wood there, it just a skin of the wood wrap to the steel holder, you still can see the steel on the bottom part.
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Yes, actually you can help us (existing buyer). See how is the response of developer to fix the shaking hand-rail, then only you sign. If then still force you to sign without seeing they fix the shaky problem, then you can ask for cancellation. I think they will charge you for RM200 for admin fee. I think it is ok. If they promise you to fix the shaking hand rail, then you ask to wait till they fix it. Sale is very slow now, it is you choise and mot developer choice. If they response u of saying empty promise, them u should not buy. I am real buyer, and you can see how dissapointed we are of asking new buyer to quit.
Shaky is a big problem for me. Surely will loose in a few month time. Resident will fall from 4th floor and cause death !!!
@Bryan
Bryan, there are few G&G projects in BM. Among them, I personally like Hillpark more as the location is good. Near to wet market/ hawker foods/ supermarket. Located at alma, opposite to wonderful supermarket. using clay bricks…
Should I know this project earlier, I would not buy OV. headache….
@BuyerHere
Thanks for your feedback, YES, i will wait till this sat and then made a final decision… by the way, are u sure i they will just charge me RN200 fees, anyhow, thanks ya
New handrail design still ok , shaky handrail can cause safety hazard. you know what is safety??? life does not have take two unlike pacman can restart every KO session…
Chew, don’t worry so much about 10K. think big picture. Get the input from this forum and go and check on the show unit and make your own decision. don’t be rush to make decision.
pacman = AhTu = Developer Proxy >>>>>>> talk more make more buyer angry, we want action.
oop … same name with JK from Sierra Residence, sorry, it is different person. I am JK of BM area
I am planing to buy the OV phase 2 semi-d. Anyone know about the design concept and detail willing to share?
@RY7
Better dont buy …. or else you are telling developer it is ok to show this attitude to buyer, and yet no effect to their sale. They may give you shaky hand rail and later you have folk out RM30K to chg the hand rail.
I know that the phase 2 semi-d is only 2 1/2 floor only and the design is slightly different to phase 1. You said they provide shaky hand rail? Have you received it? I hope TH may learn the experiences from phase 1 and improve in phase 2. Anyway, I will contact TH directly to get more information.
Another developer supporter here. See hole in front oso insist to jump in
Why do you ask us, have phase one buyer receive the shaky hand rail or not? Why you ask this, cannot make sense. As Mr Alma said, if you see the mountain have tiger, are you insist to climb the mountain? Do you think we are sabotage? If we are, you could see all project surrounding like Permai, Carnation, CentreWay, Harmoni, Gemilang, Betik and so many site in Alma project will have this kind of bad remark for developer. Why one in OW? Pls think and check other projects blog, you will know only this developer have such a bad remard from so many buyer. Before you futher comment here, pls go and see the hand rail and try to shaky it, a normal people will know it will not last long and further loosen the bolt nut. If the hand rail loose and fall down, potential cause death. Pls go and see then come back and comment here. Or else we will be wasting time to take to you any more.
no need to fork out money to change the handrail. get developer to fix it as this is safety concern…
Thanks for your feedback Dennis, u are right, think big picture….
@Chew
Developer should not take any deposit during booking. They only can charge the first 10% during SPA signing. However, most of the developers do take a deposit and buyer willing to pay take to secure the unit (as most project can sell easily).
By saying this, any deposit taken should be 100% refund if buyer change decision before SPA signing, except, the buyer sign an agreement during booking that certain fees will be charged. So, read the term and condition of the documents you signed. Of course, the easiest way is to ask the developer.
Go check out jesselton hills project by DNP phase 2. Official launch today and tomorrow.
@JJ
Thanks for the recommendation. I took a look at the Hillpark forum. Basically is good but I prefer project near this area. I am working in island and easy access to highway is very key. Besides, I need to be close to Jit Sin.
@jojohe
Thanks! Same as the reason above, I can put Jesselton Hills on my list. Appreciate your input.
* I can’t (correction)
@Bryan
there are few projects around Jln song ban kheng, one is beside and opposite to Big Way car service centre (G&G, banglo and zero-lot banglo) and if you have deep pockets, maybe Villa Lagenda…
Thanks Bryan
Anyone go to OV site to talk to developer on the quality issues today? What developer feedback regarding this? Eager to know before i place my booking. thanks.
TWH not take seriously on quality in workmanship & materials in their project, advise you better don’t jump into the fire !
@545
The developer would told you, ” do not believe whatever written in the blog, they luan-luan xia.”
To believe the comments at here or not, it is up to you. If want to take the risk then go ahead to place your booking.. The money is yours, right??
Went to OV site this morning around 11.15am, but only got few customer at the showhouse, SP Tan, TB, Joe, where are you all, is it I m late and all of u already left….
Chew, I went there also but did not see you all as well. So I left….
Looks like all this sptan tb joe is not real buyer, haha, simply say no1, no2, no3, i told is school exam hahaha
@Chew
i went there around 11am but just find 2 customers hanging there, no mood to bring quality issue to sales rep again, cause of already brought up this issue so many times to them but not see an improvement. lastly fed up and went off..
@Chew, u better ask about the quality issues on workmanship/materials, and try shake the staircase’s handrail before you sign S&P !
100% agree with the comment. Becareful if you want to buy TWH project !
Yeah! I felt the same when visited their show house and site walk ! This developer looks like not pay much attentions on quality delivery ! so bad..
In fact, i intended to wait TW’s New G&G project in Bworth. After i went through this blog, i feel like would it be another OV-like’s Quality in the future? Sales rep keep on telling “not ready” for the new project but the site was already fenced up & sign board was erected. This made me feel frustration & i already invested some other project for future security.
@Ferragammo
I feel frustrated too, especially when talked with TahWah’s sales manager, they don’t know how to deal with customer, they thought only them building the house in BM/BW!!! KNS !!!!
They are not only delivering low class quality in workmanship & material, their after sales service also bad !!
Walao eh..really shit with this developer after read thru so many commets. But they lauching phase 2 and advertise on today paper….How can this developer get support after so many bad comment on 1st phase…where the customers come from.
Hi, why everyone talk bad things about this developer? Any good work done so far. You all need to be far to TW. Anyway they are new player, should learn how to treat purchaser.
i have a friend considering to get Phase 2 unit but he was hesitated after reading the comment about this developer. i told him , you are the boss you make the decision.
@Dennis
i agree.
Before we sign snp, customer are the BOSS.
After snp is signed, developer is the BOSS.
Nowaday got a lot of new housing projects near SBK road, some are in progress projects, some are going to launch. Better choose the developer who really care on QUALITY delivering – Quality in material provided plus workmanship !
wow…so many bad comments here, developer don’t know how to treat buyer ? i also scare to buy OV2 now.
I believed the comments here are affecting their phase 2 sales and also downgrading the property value, sad. i really hope the developer will take actions on the comments given and sincere in delivering a quality product.
To those who not yet place booking and give negative comments, please dun buy & stop giving further comments on this project, why not just let those ppl who already give deposit, sign S & P, loan disbursed comment on their house, So many comment repeated i.e Wow, i think better dun buy, luckly i never buy, ask my fern not to buy… please dun comment and let the real buyer to do something in this forum, i also propose to OVPC that open your website to public so that potential buyer will know what happen to this project instead of only invite ppl who already place booking to joint your OVPC and keep going to say that, please joint OVPC and u will know whats going on to this project
Before you place your order with tahwah, you better ask the quality question first, and see what their sales team response to u ! ask them why so many real buyers complaint on quality part eg. the new so called improve handrail by tahwah but it still shaky, workmanship on the brick wall issue, use of broken bricks and etc.
If u accept tahwah’s answer, then buy !
If tahwah cannot give u the proper answer on quality’s questions, then better don’t put yourself into the trouble !
those who wants to buy go see for yourself the showhouse quality. handrail shaky? i went last weekend, it’s not shaky but mild vibration of which is normal cos the handrail is made of mild steel so it wont be solid. it’s not so scary as what is being posted on this forum. broken bricks? ask yourself if you have not seen broken bricks. why not those from the OV club post the photos for all to see? let us see how bad is the brickwork
Fully support, can anybody from OVPC leave comment on this, post the photo or tell us their website or maybe facebook, thanks
Just go to the site and see for yourself, remember how hard TW trolls were when they bashed OVPC and blaming the buyers for sabotaging the brand? we just pointed out our concern and demanded TW for a professional respond. Now you guys finally see the problem.
@jojohe
DNP also sucks, my friend suffered for the leakage at BM Utama, plaster ceiling spoilt and took a while to wait the contractor to fix it. the entire renovation was on hold because of that and didn’t meet the date of his marriage day… sucks big time
FYI, Ah Hong rejected OVPC FTF group meeting before, u think he care/dare to see you?
i’m one of the OVPC’s member, the bad brickwork’s photos can be seen in OVPC facebook, there got complaint emails and the replied mail from TWH also. TWH is pushing the bad brickwork issue that delivered by their main constractor, and saying the responsible party to verify the brickwork is architect but not them. i can download or print screen the photo and share it to u all here, but just afraid i’ll face the legaility issue in future if i’m doing that.
i agree with the rest who asking potential buyer to double confirm with TWH on quality issue that being brought up here before you place your deposit.
same thing my friend, can u tell me how to joint OVPC facebook or give me the facebook address? For any developer if u ask about quality issue, they will say okok dun wori
ask them why the handrail is shaking even after the so called improvement done. see how they explain…
@Dennis
ok will ask tomorrow, but any how, Dennis, are you one of the purchaser?
So far how many project you view, maybe you can share with us that which project handrail is prefect or not shaking, we need to compare and give further comments
@BJ
Got, single storey houses handrail is not shaking
go to harmonies residence to check the handrail. it’s firm.. not shaky at all.
a person who give you the most honest comment is either purchaser or competitor.
you make the judgement.
In my opinion, the main problem is there has no wall beside the handrail in OV. This has indeed pose great danger to the dwellers as this are 3 storey house. Once the handrail loosen (as it is only nailed at the side by only few nuts) one day (may be few or ten years later) people will fall to death. The open space is originally designated for lift placement, I believe the developer overlook this safety factor for those who chose not to instal lift.
Shaky handrail in other projects might not pose danger to the dwellers, but not in OV case. Very scary…..
the problem is not the handrail but the design which in a spiral rather than zigzag…in the spiral design, there is an empty space down below…actual mean for putting a lift, whereas in the zigzag design, if you look down, you can see the lower stair but not empty space…
the developer should have two designs, a safer one for those buyer who opt not to install a lift…
The shaky hand rail are due to each rail are not connected to each other, every piece of the hand rail only mound on the wall (at the void space), we know it will not be strong. Sure will loose one. People will fall to death.
It took me 4~5 days to read the thread from pg1 – 13…… until my eyes blur.
For quality, I agree that it is not at the high side, but I did not notice that it is so lousy as mentioned here (without seeing the photo in OVPC FB) during my last visit to the show house. I may want to make another trip there but unfortunately, the show house is closed again until further notice. Of course, still can visit by appointment.
I am more concern on the court case of the land that TW bought. Worry this could affect the OV1/ 2.
And the OV2 still priced ~530K…… if there will be rebate to make the price below 500K, still can considered.
By the way, I wonder want is the main economy activities in BM area that making the house price so high? Because of the “commercial hub” by DNP near Tesco? Autocity? MNC Factories? Or because mainly purchased by the people from island?
For handrail problem, maybe we can consult designer to solve it, any idea so far
Still wait for somebody to post the photo at any website, till now still no news, i not think so we manage to view any photo that might not exis
Just wonder why hong came out the decision to sell Tambun indah share and become independent, was he being kicked out from the group or what?
Looking at the quality delivered so far, his background become very suspicious…
No one entertain you la. Go and read the blog above, email ur name to the Club Admin, tell your full name and unit number, then you will be accepted. All of us the club member have know each other.
If u continue to ask here, no one will entertain you.
Hi all members, i am back!
My latest concern is also same with most other purchaser here. The quality of the staircase holder, after improvement done, still no good, as it is too shaky and vibrate. This vibration will sooner later will be loose.
My Raya visit to the site and meet up Mr Cheong and brought him observed the shaky and vibration of the staircase. I purpose us my hand to give a light hit on the holder and the he can see the staircase continue to shake and vibrate for a few second. (Which this is seldom see at other starecase. I did give a easy improvement suggestion to Cheong, by give additional welding to connect each of the staircase and paint it, then each of the holder will holding each other (beside holding by the bold nut to the wall).
Mr Cheong response he taking note of my feedback.
Let us see what is Cheomg next step of the improvement.
Ya… this is become important now. If he pull out from TI, what he is not satisfy about TI? Could be TI too lousy, or maybe not agree that TI too focus to improve their project quality and reduce the profit margin, for example, the good work in Palm Villa. So as if he was been kicked out.
But I tot TW has been formed more than 5 years, before they launch the first project? If so, Dato Hong must be planed it since the early day, means it is by his will to be out of TW.
Btw, whatever it is, we still need to give respect to the developer, especially Dato Hong. Few years back when our Purchaser Clud deal with Ixxxx regarding the gangster contractor, we sent the letter to their boss with full respect, who is also a Dato. Eventually those units which the owners signed in the letter were not been disturb. Of course, you were never able to meet the Dato.
went to the back side of the ov’s project site which near to keow kuang primary school, yup, the brick works really no quality. some brick works looks fine but some are really bad, they even used broken sand bricks for certain walls. for those who are doubt on quality delivery issue, try check from that side but u need to use telescope to inspect cause the site is gated.
ya, agreed. This developer not paying attention on quality delivery no matter in materials or workmanship.
I went to visit DNP’s show house – BM utama Phase 3 and Jeselton hills just now, DNP’s handrail not shaky at all. The design & materials for handrail also classy compare to orange villa’s lousy and unsafety handrail. TahWah’s staff including their MD should go to visit DNP’s show house and learn from there !!!!!!!!
Dato Hong is a good guy but most of his workers, contractors are very 烂..in hokien we said “nua xiao”.. too bad lo!
. His staffs may just reported good news to Dato Hong but close all bad news go to him !
Totally agreed, do you noticed all the bathroom/toilets are all Johnson Suisse?
@jojohe
not sure what brand that DNP use for BM utama phase 3 and Jesselton hills, but one thing I’m sure is the materials given by DNP is classy and better quality than orange villa.
For those who not believe, u can go and take a look on both DNP and TahWah’s show unit and make a comparison from there.
TahWah said in “The Edge” this month that they’ll deliver quality homes….hmss..but I think they are too far from catching the “Quality” wording if compare their show unit with others branded developer’s show unit!
then, why you guys didn’t buy from DNP since u all like it so much and still want to buy from this TahWah…. u have the choice…
We all got cheated laaa …….. unless developer chg those in the show house to branded material. Really dissapointed!
@thunder
If v have not signed SNP yet, we do have options……
Why now only regretted after buying, does it sound like you are not doin enuf homework. This is hard-earned money leh.
So far, im happy with my buy, no complain. Only time will tell…
We thought developer will deliver high end quality house since this is their maiden project , but after seen the brickworks photos posted in OVPC, felt the shaky handrail which so called an improvement by tahwah at show unit, the confident level on this developer will deliver quality house dropped to 0% now. We felt like getting cheated by developer. We already signed S&P, will suffer big lose if cancel the buying.
Totally agree!
@Soulheal3r
My fault was to believe wrong people and developer. Before signing snp and seeing show house, the personnel (project manager and staff) assured me that TW will deliver quality house as OV is their maiden project.
Since you are so happy with your buy then I must congratulate you!!! time will tell after 5-10 years….
JJ, dun blame urself. Nowadays buying house is a difficult decision. We might not have the chance to see the show house and need to book it or else the developer will increase the price after the show house is completed. This is really not fair to buyers but no choice as currently is the developer market as all buyers rush to buy the house since the house price keeps on inceasing every year.
No need to wait 5-10yrs, certain part of walls at show house starting cracking. This is due to fast build without focusing on quality delivery !
Developer send me a love letter today, 1st and Final notice to sign S & P or else they might sell it to other buyer, any comment
Ah Chew, decision on you now. if you have doubt, go and see them and ask them to clear the cloud.
@Chew
The decision is in your hand. The money is yours. If you like the location so much and no other place else , then you have to sign loh…boh pien lah
@Chew
Try ask developer the quality issues which has been brought up here first before u sign snp, don’t buy if developer push all the responsibiity to their main contractor, architect or bangla workers ! Money is yours now, it will become developer’s money after u sign snp !
@Hong
Dato Hong also start jojn us already … ha.
Hope he can hear out voice.
@Chew,
Don’t buy if TWH not focus on quality house!
Anyone can tell me which developer can deliver 100% good quality house?
In a real world, no developer can deliver 100% good quality house. But the different between branded developer and noname developer is branded developer will focus on quality and safety issues before they sell the house to buyer while noname developer will pay less focus on this parts when they starting sell their house to public. Branded developer will take seriously whenever there’s customer’s compliants but no name developer may just push the responsibility to other party when having complaints from their customer.
@kpc
totally agree with what you say.
Hi all, we are real buyer and urge all other buyer, pls not to buy OrgVilla1/2. We regret to buy here. We urge here is actually want to give a lesson to developer. Due to their name is bad now, result in OrgVilla2 have to lauch lower end house, cheaper house. Continue to urge they will close down very soon. I am preparing to burn my 10% down payment here. We are not sabotage buy basically very angry real purchaser.