Tree Residency @ One Residence
“Less is more” is the design philosophy of notable architect Ludwig Mies van de Rohe. With the Tree Residency, the values of minimalism are fully exuded, conveying a sense of harmony that comes from simplicity.
The minimalism in Tree Residency, however, is not one of emptiness, but one that is out of the box, with bold use of lines, geometry and ratio instead of fluff to achieve a clean and elegant look. More importantly, the materials used to construct Tree Residency are environmentally friendly, as such bringing its inhabitants close to nature.
The overall design of Tree Residency is skewed towards garden living, with eight different designs to suit the different requirements of buyers. The club facility of Tree Residency is complete with badminton court, half-sized Olympic pool and other recreational facilities that will bring out the athlete in you.
Location : One Residence, Sungai Ara, Penang
Property Type : Corner Duplex, Link Duplex, Twin Villa
Land Tenure : Freehold
Total Units: 316
Developer : Ideal Property
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@thomas
This was 4 weeks ago
@Ahaun
New to me, hehe. Road name is not known yet right?
Already know few months ago. The first role of houses from the guard house is ‘Lorong Rajawali 5’@thomas
@Jezz
Wow! We will have a long address;
No. XX, Lorong Rajawali X,
Tree Residency @ One Residence,
Jalan Rajawali,
11X00 (poscode), Sungai Ara,
Pulau Pinang, Malaysia.
I got 4″ LED down light, 12W, at ~RM35 each. Alpha 5 blades ceiling fans with remote control at <RM350 for 2 units Raya offer for members).
Kitchen cabinet, with Quartz stone table top:
– Glass cabinet (including wall cabinet) ~RM700 per ft run
– Melamine board (Including wall cabinet) ~RM500 per ft run
Anyone interested?
@Jezz
Thanks for the info. Where do you access the road name?
If I calculate from club house, the road along it is Lorong Rajawali 10, correct?
anyone putting up the smallest unit for sale? pls whatsapp me at +6585715018
@Bryan
Should be:-
xx, Lorong Rajawali X,
Tree Residency@One Residence,
11900 Bayan Lepas,
Penang
No worries. I got it 2 months plus almost 3 months ago from both developer and MPPP. As the road along clubhouse I’m not sure, since my unit is near the guardhouse so all I know is the first role infront of guardhouse is ‘Lorong Rajawali 5’ 😉
hmm… rajawali macam not fit in with Tree residency, haha, but i doubt if there’s lorong pokok or tree lane for road name
really quite a long address when need to fill up forms etc.. hopefully will get nice unit no.
being blocked by guard when trying to enter.. :s
@Jezz
I have checked with developer, they didnt reveal the road name. You must have special priviledge.
@zip
You have to survey the best time to enter.
Did anyone check with Ideal lately on the VP/OC date? Si peh tulan keep delaying!
@Tulan
Why don’t you check and give me an update?
Haha, why not you just wait and see if I’m right or wrong hehee
I trust you. Are you able to check the road name along club house? This way it will be easy for the rest of owner to determine theirs. Kam xia.
@thomas Be patient la..now more important is to know when can we all get the vp and oc
Relax, let them finish off with a better finishing and touch up. 1 or 2 mth shud b ok.
They wud play safe in term of time commitment…..from what i can see in my friends’ Sathu issue…They are responsive and listen to the owners there.
so i wud expect them to do so here.
Hi there! Tree residency really attracts a lot of interest and active participation of posting comments at its forum. I just cliched a deal to buy one of the smallest units at slightly > 1M. Expensive?? Well, depend on how you look at it. For me, it’s worth the buy considering it’s free hold, G&G with a built up area of roughly 2100 sq. ft. I own and stay at a leasehold DS linked house in Bayan Baru with a built up area of 1400 sq.ft. which commands a selling price between 700 – 800 K at the moment. I am not a speculator, my calculation is smple, an extra 700 sq. ft of built up area and a brand new house is worth it. The most important thing is that Tree residency is G&G after having to suffer the trauma of being burglarized twice in the last ten years in Bayan Baru. Hope to joint all you nice people next year, I intend to start renovating the new house after CNY and move in a few months later. See you then.
@Subsale buyer
Nice to meet you! How much loan you get? What is the bank value now?
@Bryan
Hi! I managed to get 80% of the amount I paid for the house from Maybank, add in legal fee, processing fee, insurance fee, valuation fee and other taxes, the loan amounted to about 850K. The interest rate is -2.45% of the BLR throughout the duration of the repayment period subjected to the fluctuation of the BLR.
@Subsale buyer
Congrats. You are lucky as you manage to grab one just prior to VP and OC. It will be at different price once VP’ed and OC’ed. Join the TR FB group as there is a lot of photos shared there.
Kotun can you add me as TR FB group.thks
@Subsalae buyer
Which means the bank value for TR is almost 900K. Not bad at all.
It is difficult to get landed G&G on island because this type of development required a big piece of land, where developers will prefer to built condo than landed.
For the smallest unit, the built-up should be 2280sf, not including the balcony 132sf and car porch 484sf. Problem is the small back yard and wet kitchen. I still don’t understand why they do that.
@Subsale buyer,
What makes you think that G&G won’t get burglarized?…:)…Aiyoh, why did you pay >RM1 mil for this shit hole!!??….:D….Maybe you should quickly sell off your old house when you can still fetch RM700k-RM800k (as you claimed) before the bear sentiment kicks in….:)..Otherwise you’d end up with tonnes of debt to be paid off until dunno when (I am making an assumption you’re not that rich since you are willing to stay in Sg Ara).
@Yee
You need to get permission from Mookster…
Ah hah… the haze has dropped by…
Those plan to purchase end of this or next year, pls think twice before make any big commitment, those unit launch from now onward be completed by 2017, ECONOMIC CRASH!
The subsale price will drop.
@funny
Are you lost? This project is about VP soon.
@condomana
Have you sold your Brezza? You should.
Why do you say economy crash in 2017?
please ignore those who comment unrelated topics such as investment,bla bla bla.. and i think sooner or later they will not interested to come to this forum. This forum talk only about TR.
@condomana
Saudara Condomana:
Thanks for your concerns. I might as well admit that I am not a rich man and I never pretend to be one. I would grade myself as “average” but I was quite flattered when Maybank categorized me as “affluent” customer(LOL). I have settled my old housing loan long ago and I have no other commitments so to speak. Instead of spending 100-200K renovating my old house just as my immediate neighbour did, I prefer to get a new one. I also do not intend to sell my old house, I am in the process of applying to MPPP to convert the status of my house from residential to commercial and hope to get it done quickly, the locality has very good business potential.
G & G of course doesn’t guarantee the area to be free of burglars but the incidence would be greatly reduced. With the cooperation of all concerned, we could turn it into a safe haven.
Like I said before, I am not a speculator, I am quite confident that I would be shielded from any untowards crises be it economical or otherwise unless the country goes bankrupt then I would have no ideal what would happen to everybody.
Here come the doomsayers gang, they have been saying this and that……since 2009 and movin from one forum to another.
In Hokkien we said “unable to eat Grapes but complain it is sour”.
Getting a “shit hole” better than no hole (bo kang tau) la!
Let’s enjoy the “debate”…..Cheers!
@Subsale buyer,
Bro, that’s cool. As long as you know what to do when the storm comes, you’re ok, although it still puzzles me why Sg. Ara. With what you have, you can actually own something much better in terms of upside and living condition (unless you have a special reason to live in Sg. Ara)……:)
@Bryan
How much is Brezza going (RM/sqft) at the moment? I can see paint job already peeling. Looks like the building is almost collapsing?….:)
@condomana
I guess this area is convenient and booming if you are still wondering..
@condomana
No study on Brezza and no intention to! Just you suggest that the bear will kick off, so you should sell whatever property you have right now!
Uptown could be a good place but it is not if you compared the township planing at southern island such as Bayan Baru and Sg Ara. And, you just can’t promote north side property to southern citizens and so as southern property to northern people. To me, the southern region traffic is always better although I take the worst place, Relau, compared to north side.
And, have you been this region recently?
@Bryan,
I am not trying to promote north side lah, I am not the Timur-Laut district officer!!!….:D..I was just wondering if Subsale buyer knows he can actually buy a much better lifestyle somewhere else with what he paid for this Sg. Ara property…:)…If he had consciously chose Sg.Ara, it’s ok. But if he had done so thinking this is the best he could afford, i’d say than he had missed out. There are many hidden jewels around waiting to be discovered…..:)
@condomana
You are trying too hard to convince people that Sg Ara is not a good place. Hehe… seems not working. People are still buying TR at >1M. And this is pre VP and pre OC. With 1M property, buyer won’t simply close their eyes and commit to 1M. They should have done their homeworks first and have considered a lot of things.
You should drive by Sg Ara south one day. It is booming. Drop your email or your cell phone here if you plan buy one from subsale.
Actually my opinions:
(1) Those who bought from developer, ok as you just dont know the risk of crack/sink.. i repeat possible risk/crack, dont be sensitive as it did exist…. but if the guy up there jumping up and down very happy and bought from subsale, some more pay more than RM1 million, extra few hundred K YET dont know the problem, i think really StuXXd
Hey guy, dont you realise all the ori buyers so warm to embrace and 1st question is how much you buy? They cannot wait to tell their wife, friends, relative that a guy have bought RM300K more than them 😀
If possible, they want to parade you around that you have make them so happy and show your face to every one, that guy bought RM1.3 million and we only pay heck RM900K…
Cheers….:D
@condomana
OK. Get what you tried to say. You may drive to Sg Ara SPI/ 1R area on 1 free day. Understand the projects and developments going on at this region. It may change your view that Sg. Ara is still the same with 5 years ago. I am referring to south Sg. Ara.
Once I never consider Sg. Ara property.
Aiyoo, no need to convince ppl that this sg ara area is not a good place, everyone here know that this is the worst area. If i hv money better buy some other nice area. Most of those executive, manager, MD work around bayan lepas area purchased property here due to convinient or nearer to work place and the cheaper landed property only can find here.
@ kotun
Thanks. My daughter has joined TR FB group and I have seen all the pictures posted there. The whole family is very excited about moving to a totally different concept of living environment.
@Bryan
Hi! I fully concur with you regarding the size of wet kitchen and the dry yard, they are simply too small especially the dry yard which serves no purpose at all. These are the two drawbacks I could find from the layout of the housing plan. Anyway, I think a good interior designer would help to solve the problem.
@Saudara Condomana
Thanks again. After staying in Bayan Baru for so many years, I have grown accustomed to the surrounding area and many of my buddies are from Relau and Sg. Ara so it comes as a natural choice for me. I did shop around, for the month of July, the broker took my family and I from one housing area to another. We had been to Setia Greens, Setia Pinnacle and Sathu Residency just to name a few and finally my family decided on Tree Residency.
Hi Mookster,
I’ve sent email to the.revo.76@gmail.com to join the TR FB, but there is no response. Could you let me know is there any other way to join the TR FB?
@zip
https://www.facebook.com/groups/treeresidency/
this is the FB Page and send your request through there. We will evaluate and grant access. We here are trying our very best to keep this community page within the TR owners.
@Mookster
thanks. I’ve been clicked the group join request few weeks back. The request is pending. Could you help to check? Thanks.
@zip
Zip – I am not sure if I extended the invite to the right one.. we are trying to clear up the backlog of FB Access request. (I still have a daytime job & doing this FB as part of community effort work). Check out your FB Mesg.
@Subsale buyer
For dry yard, I will build a wall to cover it up, and use it as a store room and place a washing m/c there. I will buy another washing m/c and place it at the balcony, wash and dry to clothes at the same place.
For wet kitchen, you can actually extend it to the dry kitchen. But I will just leave it as it.
Any owner willing to let go, pls email me selenali97@yahoo.com.sg
@Kwai Ching
Hi! I missed your comment the other day. Due to my stupidity, I failed to comprehend what you intended to put forward. You meant to say that only the first hand or original buyers get to enjoy the defects coverage as stipulated in the S&P. Can someone in the legal field enlighten me on this issue. I think a responsible developer would extend it to the subsequent owners as long as it’s within the two years time frame and no renovation or alteration works are done to the building.
About paying >1M (1.01 to be exact) for the TR Duplex unit, it depends on how you look at it. For me, it’s worth it because I am going to stay in it. Even if the market value were to drop 20 or 30% overnight due to unforeseen circumstances, it wouldn’t affect me becasue sooner or later it will move up again.
If you make a random survey on the island property market, you will notice the steep escalation of house prices over the years. In Sg. Ara or Lip Sin Garden for example, a 30 year-old single storey, free hold, intermediate terrace had been selling at >650K, some even close to 750K. A ten year-old DS free hold terrace with a land area of 1400 sq. ft. in Sunway Tunas fetches close to 900K. These houses need extensive renovation for comfortable living. So, I think the timing is just right for people who can afford to buy a house now instead of putting the money in the bank.
Today pass by, the entrance was guarded. From outside, not much different from my last visit 2 weeks ago. Wonder how much time they still needed for VP. Pass by their sales office, nobody inside and look like a notice was pasted on the door. Probably not open today.
The shape of the building constructed behind Ideal Haus look like a temple. Still no notice board explain the type of building being constructing.
The road in front of Tree Sparina is in used and the existing road is blocked for the road widening work. The new road surface condition is a bit rough. The land clearing continued to until the 4 lanes road at South Home. So the road will be fully 4 lanes from South Home until the airport roundabout.
@Bryan yeah..nothing change..wonder why take so long…even some simple clean up also not done
@Bryan
I remember some time back that some one commented on this forum that that is a temple or columbarium for placing ashes of the dead. How far is that true? Can anyone give the latest update?
Heard that is Tzu Chi, 慈濟 Any Tze Chi members can confirm?
Another facility.. i like it
@JY
Is it really Tsu Chi from Taiwan?
according to contractor, the small building is the Nepalese temple which built by the owner of ideal. the big building is unknown yet. may be the same temple…
@Ahaun
Probably they don’t want to give VP during the ghost month. Haha!
Hi Mookster,
I am one of the TR owner.
I tried to click your link to enter the Facebook.
However, there is no response from the FB link.
@Leong
Unfortunately, this forum does not allow clicking. You need to copy the whole link address into the browser to get access
Hi, Kind of renovation works.
our price are the most cheapest compare to others. we also giving good service.
Specialize In :
– Interior Design
– Wiring
– Wet Work
– Plaster Celling
– Furniture
– House Renovation Tiling & Paint
– Renovation & Contract Works
kindly do call or sms for further information
Ken (016-5045286)
KEN, any website or facebook to view your past reno?
Email? Need price for check
Hi owners, may I know if TR will be facing gangster Contractor issue?
Very nice design!!!
No la.. It is for bangla one..
Aahh… the hazer.. never fail to try hard…
Seems like someone post few good photos on TR progress. There are 9 new photos added. Check it out…
He/she posted here. scroll up.
Ya! Sure got haze one. Today AQI for Pg is 85, which is moderate.
The photos are nice, comparable to condo facilities. Like living in a resort.
Nice photo. Thanks for sharing..
Can’t wait to get OC soon
good morning Doggy,
thks for interested!! may i hv your email will email to you some picture for my reno.!!
It’s my email add : ken_mx@live.com
@Ken
Do you charge expensive? Mine is at mainland, do you do reno there?
Not at the moment bcos trying to settle house issue first. Do you do partial reno bcos not doing full. For eg new gate, car porch area how much? Tia
@Ken
simple reno at new condo – eg kitchen cabinet, window door grilles – how much?
Your quality workmanship and material Okie ?? lol
Doggy,
May i have your email add. to talk offline and further discuss
Hi all TR onwers, I have sent out the first meeting details in the email list on 1/Sept Sunday. For those owners not in the email list, pls send in treeresidency@gmail.com for latest update.
Thanks, Jack TR
Hi Jack,
I have sent an email to treeresidency@gmail.com about 1 month ago to ask for adding me in the email loop.
However, I didn’t get any reply from you.
Could you pls help to add me in the loop ?
Tks a lot.
I can’t wait to move in the TR leh….yahoo….
Hope all of us can make our living place become better & better….
Hi Leong, just noticed I missed your email, I already forward you the email.
Thanks, Jack TR
Saw the purple color up for the wall at the entrance. The words “Tree Residency” will be up soon, I guess. And a few big trees were planted at the road side of Jln Makhamah. Those trees were transferred from Jln Tun Dr Awang, I believe. Good job!
Anyone know the when the new market will start operation? It is ready for some time already.
I’ve sent a text msg to all For those who requested to join the FB group but pending for approval. Please check your “Other” inbox to reply.
Thanks
@Bryan hopefully someone can tell us when is the vp and oc. Initially with the speed they are doing, i thought July can get vp..but seems they are slowing down on purpose.
@Bryan
I heard the road will be extending to Jalan Tengah junction in future. Btw, just pass the new road in front of Tree Sparina, i think they had not complete the finishing layer yet until the other side completed.
Btw, the tar road infont of kem entrance area really bad already,…must do complain to the JKR to repair…
Hi there..anymore unit left?
@Guan Huat
Hi! There are still many units waiting for subsale deals. Go to propertyguru.com.my. Choose Penang and Sungai Ara then key in Tree Residency. Call the agents listed there to get the best price. Be prepared to pay around 1 to 1.05M for the smallest Duplex link unit. Good luck.
After OC will be 1.1M or 1.15 M liao
@John
I am sure the whole Jln Tun Dr Awang will be widening in future. The question is when. And I think the new access road from 1R will only open after the road widening work completed. It could be after TR OC. Now look a bit messy there.
Airport flooded Sunday, how was TR?
@Joanne Hui
confirmed no flood at all for TR….
Call up ideal n seems oc only available early oct. Anyone know whether it can be earlier?
@Gail how about vp?
@Ahaun
According to fren in Sathu, Their VP and OC come together. Maybe the same with TR? But seems like we can’t do any purchase/ booking for furniture/ renovation yet for this weekend perfect livin exhibition yet.
@Bryan
earlier was June..then July..then Sept and now Oct…sigh…
@limpehlah
Ya…. those attended the gathering last Sun should go straight to Ideal office to ask for the answer. They may drag until the last day of the 3 years time frame since the first SPA date. All my plan on hold because of this.
@Bryan
Aiyoyo..then VP next year November lo
@Ahaun
If they really can confirm next year Nov, I don’t mind. I can stop surveying around for my renovation and furniture, and enjoy the DIBS. What we want is a firm date.
sorry to said that if this drag more then 3 years, you will not having DIBS… you have to pay the interest yourself
@najib </. Hi najis, holy cow. U hv the shitty truth too
@najib
DIBS is valid until VP regardless how long they drag. Did I miss anything?
And after 3 years, they need to pay penalty for late delivery too.
@Bryan
Dibs is not BTS. If 3 yrs still not ready, means it is abandon projects, where we need to serve loan instead. Really a shitty truth indeed
Don’t worry, if it’s gonna be abandon project, Developer won’t wait until
Now and leave it be a abandon project 😉
Hi everybody, I understand the anxiety some of you may feel over the late issue of VP/OC. Stay calm and rest assured that Ideal Property is not dragging its feet on purpose. There may be some problems that need to be ironed out but there is no justification to abandon the project at this juncture. Like playing a jigsaw puzzle, TR is now at the climax of fitting the last few pieces, so, enjoy the moment and have a nice day.
Chances of TR being abandoned?
@Undress code
Not agree with your statement. The agreement of DIBS is until VP, not 3 years. 3 years in the SPA is the commitment to provide the VP by developer. They need to continue DIBS + the late delivery penalty if can’t delivery the VP as schedule. Let me know if I understand it wrongly.
Btw, this project is ahead of the schedule, where it is only 2yrs from the SPA date. The project abandon is totally our of the picture. The topic we are discussing now is, developer committed to deliver early VP in Jun/ Jul, 1 yr ahead of their schedule according to SPA, but can’t keep the promise and delay until now.
@Subsale buyer
The latest rumour is that VP and OC have been rejected due to the sinking problem and some buildings have been built not according to specification. It seems that the authorities want these houses (I heard about 32) have to be torn down and rebuilt. I hope Ideal can solve this problem quickly or else this will drag for many many years to come.
yea… heard the same reason about the land sinking/unstable issue… at least authority is not mum on this issue.. only those ignorant buyers still thinking that all is safe and sound and believe the guaranteed by developer that future will no issue…
@Satu dan Dua
Dude, fix your hearing lost before passing around your rumours can? Appreciate..
Haha, quite funny to read the above as I’ve just received a call from my seller to go do inspection together with him in this 2-3weeks time as developer has already called him on handling keys.
@Jezz
Wonder why developer haven’t call me up? Your seller receive call or letter from developer? Need to check my mailbox today.
@Bryan
They will send out letter soon…..be patient…i have not received it either..
@Bryan
Relax..the letter is on its way…. give 1 to 2 weeks
Looks like VP in 1-2 weeks time. Clap clap clap..
@Ahaun
I also din receive. Maybe Satu dan Dua is correct? Can someone call the developer? I amvery worried? What is our homes will never be completed?
@Tan Lee Kim
Called d. Confirmed already VP.
And, VP means OC sekali.
Told ya! Never believe the ‘haze’ in this forum 😉
@Bryan you mean TR already obtained OC?
@Ahaun
Yes. VP + OC together. But I think developer still need time to write to banks and ask for money. Then only issue official doc to buyers. Just check my loan, loan have not released for VP stage yet.
Well maybe they’re calling or sending letter phase by phase/ badge by badge 😉
Yeah!good news!
Too many rumor mongers here..
so, which is the correct info?
@CS Buyer
Believe yourself and find the truth out there. It is just a call away.
I just received letter from Ideal dated 3rd Sep that this month onwards buyer need to pay for the interest although the VP or OC application to MPPP is in progress. They also attached application letter and letter from the project architect. Anyone receive such letter?
I think developer having cash flow problem. Hello frens get ready $$$ to make the payment.
@Bryan Looks like your info is incorrect.. VP only not OC.
@Ahaun
Really? where you get the info from?
@Bryan
Go to the TR facebook..there is letter of proof. Where do you get the info that OC obtained?
@Ahaun
Just collected the letter from my mail box. It mentioned that TR already obtained VP and now claiming for the money from bank. After developer received the money from bank, then you will be informed to collect the key plus do some payments. Buyers bare their own interest since 1st Sep.
Now, the letter never mentioned about the OC, but the info from developer sales office, VP equal to OC. Based on my previous experience with this developer, no need to bother about the OC. I never realized when my existing condo obtained OC. After VP, we just go ahead to do necessary defect claim and renovation, and move in. So, I assume they claim VP = OC is correct.
No need to be in doubt. Just pick up your phone and make a call to the sales office. It isn’t that hard, is it?
@Bryan
I have similar letter which state application for VP rather than VP obtained. Will be great if can collect keys to view unit.
@Gail
Let me copy the key sentences from my letter:
1. Letter from Ideal to onwer
– Please be informed that we have obtained and sent out the claim for vacant procession for …..
I break it into 2 sentences:
– Please be informed that we have obtained vacant procession >> means obtained VP.
– Please be informed that we have sent out the claim for vacant procession >> claiming the money from bank, and this is support by the 2nd letter sent to my bank dated 3rd Sep to claim the money for VP stage.
2. Letter from Ideal to Bank
– We are pleased to inform you that the construction of the above building has now reached the following stage(s) ……..
stage 3 – On the date the purchaser takes vacant possession of the said parcel with water and electricity supply ready for connection —– 12.5%
>> without VP, Ideal cannot claim this money.
3. Letter from Ideal to MPPP – Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia (LAM)
– Dengan sukacitanya kami membuat permohonan untuk mendapatkan Sijil Perakuan Siap dan Permatuhan (CCC) bagi projek tersebut.
>> This is the application for CCC. CCC already replaced OC. The application is on 3rd Sep.
4. Letter from Lembaga Artitek Malaysia (LAM) to Ideal – Perakuan Siap Dan Pematuhan (Borang F) – LAM/PP/ No.1376
– Saya dengan ini memgeluarkan Perakuan Siap dan Pematuhan untuk bangunan/ bangunan-bangunan atas lot/ lot-lot…….
>> To me, this is CCC obtained, on the same day of the application.
Certificate of Completion and Compliance (CCC)
Introduction
In April 2007, the Government had launched the improvement to the building delivery system to enhance the competitiveness of Malaysia globally. This includes the issuance of the Certificate of Completion and Compliance (CCC) by Professional Architects and Professional Engineers as well as Building Draughtsman registered with the Board of Architects Malaysia (LAM) to replace the Certificate of Fitness for Occupation (CFO) issued by the local authorities. This new system is an effort towards self-certification and self-regulation approach in the construction industry.
http://www.rehdainstitute.com/research-a-resources/property-development/ccc.html
@Gail
My long explanation is awaiting moderation. I cut it short here:
Lembaga Artitek Malaysia already issued CCC to TR. CCC replaced CFO in April 2007. CFO replaced OC in much earlier time.
CCC – Certificate of Completion and Compliance.
CFO – Certificate of Fitness for Occupation
OC – Occupancy Certificate
To me, I am very sure that VP obtained together with OC (CCC).
@Bryan
You may read the Borang F (Perakuan Siap Dan Pematuhan) from LAM to Ideal, LAM/PP/No.1376, which attached together with the letter from Ideal.
Perakuan Siap Dan Pematuhan = CCC
Thanks @Byran for clarification on CCC. Ideal confirm landed no need OC but CCC. Excited to get the keys n view unit.
i have not received any letter yet
Called Ideal today, they confirmed letter has been sent out for vp application and interest starts this month. Key can be collected next month.
How come I still see the electric cable hanging like nobody business. The name is also not up yet…Is that good enough for VP and OC?
@Tulan
You are looking for TR for own stay or invest?
If VP in application, it means not VP yet. How could Ideal start to ask buyer to serve the interest if not VP yet? VP=Vacant Posession= You possess the key to the house.
Do you think Ideal is playing any trick here, (asking us to start to serve the interest when I deal is the one who need to pay as per DIBS)? Should we complain to any government body about this?
This sounds to me that VP=Key can be collected, is only next month. Which also mean we should not serve any interest this month, right?
@kotun
what to do now? why need to wait that long ?oc obtained already or in October?. very confused now
Pls complaint to BNM oldlady, so she can take immediate action to abolish DIBS.
@kotun
@Ahaun
No VP cannot claim money from bank, so bank cannot pay money to Ideal, and Ideal will not handover the key to owners until they receive the money, then no handover key means no VP……. This never end.
This normally happened to most of the projects, where developer claimed for VP money from banks then only handover the key (after you clear all other miscellaneous fees as well). I am not too sure but someone mentioned here before that you can ask your bank to on-hold the payment if you think developer must handover the keys before claim for the money.
Per my understanding, VP is referring to the status of a project, not about handover the key.
So, as far as I know, unless you’re a cash buyer and pay the balance right after receive the letter, then you will get the key immediately. Otherwise, you still need to wait until bank releases the money, then only you can get the key. This takes ~2 weeks’ time (or 1 week, if bank reacts really fast).
About DIBS, if I remember correctly about the t&c, it’s referring to VP (the status of the project), not about handling over the key… I believe this is to avoid a situation where purchaser purposely didn’t want to collect the key in order to save the interest, then he can take his time, one/two/three/… years, to find a buyer.
we get the same letter last week too, asked the sales the same question @kotun asked, and the explanation given as above quoted, which make sense to me.
Anyway, fact is, money is coming out from our pocket starting now, key is coming soon, hope everything will be better & better for TR, a good neighborhood & community to live in ! Hello again to all new neighbors!
@tr
@cm
I have the same understanding. I already started finalizing my renovation plan, and looking for contractors. No need to spend too much time on this question.
Cannot tahan and bought some furniture in “Perfect Livin” yesterday.
Now can we enter the site as VP obtained for TR?
@Bryan
i don’t think they allow you to enter…
@Bryan
Agreed with you. Time will tell the truth eventually… I think it’s better for ideal to disallow (or not simply allow) anybody to go in. Otherwise, somebody could do something “funny”. Then, it’s going to be worse than wait for another month…
Ideal seems to be dragging its feet to solve the sinking problem and major cracks in the houses. Hence, we are not able to get VP yet. Now the guards have received strict instructions not to allow anyone in just in case the matter is leaked to the press. It will take at least between six to twelve months from now to get VP. Even that is the best case scenario. Lets hope for best everyone or else this project will be hanging forever and we have to start servicing bank loans soon.
@Rachael Choong
Thanks Rachael Chong for sharing the bad news on TR..
check the S&P, VP means vacant POSSESSION of the house, means you get the key and own the house from that time onward. How come VP cannot collect the key? There is a clause in S&P stated developer to notify buyers to collect key upon VP, if buyers not collect the key after 2 weeks from the notification date, then automatically considered accepted VP/key. Go back and check your S&P. Not fair to buyers serving loan interest without collect the key.
@Mad
For your information, your bank release the loan today, you still cannot collect the key. Developer want to wait until all banks release the money for all units, then only arrange for key collection together.
Your only option now is to ask your bank on-hold the payment until you collect the key.
@Bryan
worth a try to ask the bank to onhold the payment while Ideal refuse to deliver the key. Ideal is not above the law. If not, don’t know how long we need to serve the loan interest before getting the key.
@Mad
I thought you early early already fill up the form to on-hold the payment?
Got the letters today
@Bryan
Yes, gonna inform bank and threaten to report to HDA & Bank Negara. Isn’t Ideal violating the S&P term and Housing Act by not allowing buyers collect key upon VP notification?
I have received the letter from Ideal yesterday.
I also feel not satisfied the way they ask us to serve the interest.
The letter is dated on 3 Sep 2013, but then they ask us to serve interest eff from 1 Sep 2013. This is totally very unfair to the purchaser.
Furthermore, all the supporting letter just showing that Ideal is applying the VP only.
It means that the project haven’t got VP yet.
I still remembered our booking slip is writing that we just need to serve interest once obtain VP.
I propose all of our need to stand out and unite to talk to the developer this Sat (14 Sep 2013) @ 10 am at Ideal office pertaining to this interest charging & VP status.
@Leong
I am in ..see you there
How could VP when there is still wire dangling, and sign not up yet…?
@kotun
i share the same thought as you and i wonder what is so difficult about that?
Should we complain to MPPP that how could the architect give the VP when it is not really ready? Ideal want it to be ‘called’ ready asap, so they can stop paying the interest.
Hahaha, bank no money, developer no money, stupid buyer dont want to pay interest. Go and make report to BNM.
@Leong
also we must protest to the bank before the 2 weeks timeline from the notification letter per S&P.
@Mad
No point complaining as there is NO WAY Ideal can give the keys as per the earlier problems I mentioned – sinking and cracked walls in many houses (hence no entry to all). The architect is signing off to show that their work is done and they do not want to be dragged into the coming big mess when all the buyers complain and then force Ideal to allow inspection. That time, everyone…. be ready for a very nasty surprise.
There is a name on the CCC letter from LAM, not sure any contact printed there. May call up this guy and question him how he can provide CCC in such condition.
Good that we can have the gathering at Ideal office this Sat. But not sure ideal will entertain us as we are not represented the whole TR community. I guess we need to form a temporary residence committee, and appoint a official leader to talk to developer and local authorities regarding all coming issues related to TR.
@Rachael Choong
Like the way you surprised everyone. 😀
Good Idea Bryan!
Not a big worry, they still have so many projects in the pipeline.
However you can use the State govt to pressure them. To do MORE THAN what is merely “fulfilling specifications and legal duties”.
I believed they are smart enough to know that buyers especially the FTZ folks are also “smart” in asking this and that by VP. Hence give u some chicken feet first first lor…..then slowly the chicken wing and so on.
Anyway, in order not to lose time, u may consider email to their management and copy relevant authorities and State Exco.
Give them a chance to show they care. This type of game is not unexpected!
Bye….damn busy now.
It’s still better for all of us gather in front of Ideal office this Sat @ 10 am.
From there, we can have our internal discussion among ourselves first before we talk to developer.
We can list down the question that we have in our mind and share out when all of us meet up on Sat. From there, we can try to sort out the solution and propose to developer.
Ideal still have several project running now. So, we don’t be too over panic. We still have some negotiation power to discuss with them.
I am not TR buyer, but I concern about the Sg Ara property.
Let me share my experience in this DIBS…CCC thing.
This is how it goes
1) Received letter of VP obtained
2) Start serving interest
3) Received letter from bank, stated final loan released
4) With the letter from bank, go to site office, collect key
5) Appointment for join inspection
and etc…..this item 1 to 5 takes about 3 weeks time. Can’t deny I am serving one month interest without having the house. However if you refused to do the item 2, how you can do the item 4? I think this all about trust ; give and take.
Regarding the sinking issue, all the while only people huhahuha in this blog. No one really have a real evidence because no one has collected the key and inspected the house. I suggest you should do things according to the procedures. If the architect already signed of the VP, why you guys insists the house is not VP? Therefore, as long as you have item no1 mentioned above, my advise is just to follow the next items to be done. (VP status does not include the completion of common area. They still have one year to do it after the VP)
Creating to many huha, just will drag the things. Afterall, i think this TR is a dream house of most of the people here. Why make it like a nightmare? Only my 2 cents.
@yoyo
i like your comment and thinking process..
agree, who ever has concern (whether on key, VP, interest, sinking etc)- is time to put into action and work out some mature/realistic solutions, instead of just comment in forum.
pls confirm if the Sat group meet up 10am at Ideal is on, bigger voice to share our concerns is definitely better than feedback individually.
@yoyo
agree with you too, no point huhahuha here making it looks like a nightmare, what most important is to get the dream house we want at the end of the day (with or without hiccup / follow steps or not follow steps).
Iam in for the meet as we need to collectively voice the concern
@yoyo
I have the same understanding. This is my 4th property that I bought before CCC, and all using the same process flow, which developer only give key after bank release payment. But we know that this is wrong, and we should start to probe to the developer as a sign that they cannot take us lightly. At least they should continue DIBS until key collection.
I just checked with my fren, the developer gave them key first before collect payment from bank. So, no harm for a try.
Regarding the sinking issue, I won’t say I don’t believe, but still 98% confident that no such issue in TR. I keep the 2% just simply nothing impossible in real life. My 98% confident come from my 4 times inspection in Dec, Mar, Jul and Aug (If I remember the month correctly) on site on my own unit. Not a sign of land sinking issue. Just skip those comment at the moment until owners collected the key and do their own inspection. What have to come, will come and not point to keep goreng the topic.
Appointing an official leader is important. My previous experience with this developer is, they will not talk to individual as they think you are just an isolated case and majority owners no issue. We need an official letter with the signature of as much owners as possible, to appoint the temporary committee and chairman, to deal with Ideal for all sort of issues, and start monitoring the management team from Ideal and also the maintenance account. Those in FB group, please bring up this suggestion there as I believe there are already ~37 owners joined the group.
I would rather has Ideal absorb Sep interest if possible. Can use that to buy a new flat TV.
@ Bryan
Good idea. If we really want to form a committee team, we definitely need to meet up at least for the 1st time to select the suitable person.
From the meet up, at least we know what are the things need to highlight when the team is preparing the official letter.
We also can try get to some experience sharing from those owner have signed up for DIBS for their previous property.
Hv oledi called up the Ideal office and they are open on this Sat.
I will be going there on sat.
Hope to see all of you ….
yea… i insist them to pay the DIBS interest until they hand the keys over… the interest amount is few thousands and i can get 2 air-cons with this amount…
can we meet up this Friday night 8pm to get all the owner signatures and appoint our temp leader?
I agree on the Friday night meet up to strategise.
How about 9pm, at Ideal Office outside
@najis
You meant you inform Ideal about it and Ideal agreed to continue the DIBS, or your proposal during the meeting?
@thunder
@K
If 8 or 9pm on Friday night, better come early on Sat morning 8-9pm for the discussion then go to Ideal office directly after that ~10pm.
Please provide more details about the sinking? Is it true?
Are u still talking about Dua ?
Personally I have seen 4 units internally few weeks ago.
3 units on the right side (if view from outside guardhouse) which seems nothing wrong. These are parallel to Sathu.
1 unit on left side, saw some patches of repair on some wall. i wonder if the similar situation due to the left side of the project sloping towards river, parallel to Dua?
@CS Buyer
Logical thinking, dua got prob but also get OC too n ideal learn d mistakes through d hard way. So, even if TR got sinking issue, remediation had been applied, rite? D truth is out there soon.
@CS Buyer
Another fact..,… If d land got sinking issue , how did the fierra vista high rise building get approval? I believe d cracks b more severe??
@Undress code
Instead of saying land sinking, it is actually land stabilizing issue. Those building structure without piling will sink. Due Villa issue, the house is not sinking because got piling, only the car porch because they skip the piling process as they under estimate the land stabilizing issue. So, if my understanding is correct, FV will not have the issue because the whole build is having piling.
But as I said before, 4 time inspections could not see any sign of sinking. Wall crack, for my unit, hairline crack got la. Sever crack, no sign. I believe myself at the moment, until other owners inspect theirs.
There are too many doubts on Ideal. I’ve deal with them before and it’s really keeping me away from their property. When come to business ethics, Ideal is not a good developer. But i foresee TR is a good place to live in future. Unity is the best way to deal with Ideal. Good luck…
I just on-hold my bank release to Ideal because Ideal insist to handover the key only in Oct, although payment is done now. So, it is very important for all of us to attend this Sat meeting to discuss with Ideal in group. As mentioned, they do not entertain my request to collect the key earlier because I am alone, even though I threaten to on-hold the payment.
My agenda for this Sat:
1. Ideal should continue the DIBS until key collection, if insist to do it in Oct
2. Ideal should at least let owners inspect their house if want us to pay now and collect the key in Oct.
3. Ideal have no right to stop owners to enter the site now as they claimed the project already VP.
@Ideal
I also deal with them before and understand their style. But I will not avoid their property as developer issues only exist at the initial stage. Now I still stay in 1 of their projects and the community are satisfy with the condo without Ideal.
@Bryan
Ideal will NEVER allow entry as per my earlier comments about sinking and cracked walls. I passed by yesterday and security is very tight. The guard told me that management said that strictly no one to enter. Based on my conversation with him, it seems that the situation inside is bad. Good luck with the Saturday meeting (I will be there too) but I really doubt much can be done to force Ideal. The guards tell me that workers are trying their best to patch up work (superficial surface cover only) and they hope that owners will not be able to see the major damage to their houses.
I am in for this Sat meeting with Ideal, can we confirm if to gather first by 8:30/9am on Sat then meet with the Ideal PIC at 10am?
Bryan, since you have experience dealing with Ideal, can you also advise us at this stage is there any other documents we need to bring along or letter we need to prepare? (i.e. showing proof that we have request bank to on hold payment etc? ) Thanks!
The ‘sinking’ issue will not surface until a couple of months (likely a year after key handover as the effect is gradual).. as experienced by dua villas. Inspection now means nothing. That is the reason why the repair work was so complicated as some owners have already renovated and moved in. However Ideal has not shirked their responsibility and have worked closely with house owners to work out amicable solutions.
@Rachael Choong
your statement is contradicting…u seems very happy with the crack
meeting at last minute, an hour earlier on saturday will make us look we are not organized & well-prepared… i propose we meet up on friday 8:30pm in front of ideal office to elect a leader and get all the owners signatures and print out the demand letter before hand in to ideal on tomorrow 10am…
if we all gather in Saturday morning unprepared, most likely they will lock their office and won’t allow us to get in… i know they will do this..
@cm
This Sat meeting is not organized by me. I do not have the details. Probably you may check in the TR FB group. I may be there after 9am.
Actually, I don’t expect fruitful discussion on this Sat. It is just a “tunjuk perasaan” to ideal. The person in the sales office will say, this is their company procedure, this is top management decision, management is not in/ out station and all kind of excuses you can think of.
But we have to start this Sat meeting to group all TR owners together, then having another meeting with more owners, form a committee and select a leader with appointment letter, then sign petition on our request, maybe 3 copies, 1 to Ideal attn to Alex Ooi, the other 1 we keep with Ideal acknowledgment of receive the letter and the last 1 is to local authority. This much I know. The details, I can’t help liao.
@Rachael Choong
You want me to believe you or my own eyes? I love to believe you but I just can’t betray my own eyes.
I am not saying you are totally wrong, but your last 3/4 statements are just pointing the issue without providing more solid information. You can’t blame if other owners don’t believe you. Tell me the name of the guard and I will talk to him.
I believe the issue may be true, but I don’t believe you. I will take precaution base on your input and assist the owners here to get the truth.
@Bryan
Did I sound happy when mentioning the defects? Oh dear. I am just as concerned. I agree that meeting on Saturday itself is not good. Perhaps we meet tomorrow evening somewhere at Old Town or somewhere similar and iron out things first. I do not know about the rest of you but I am prepared to see this matter prolong into months if not years. This is going to be bad as someone just said the sinking is supposed to show only a year after we stay. If it sinks now…. I dare not think about the severity of the situation! (Hope you guys would not perceive that I sound happy again as I am definitely not!)
Rachael…. just wondering, are you one of the TR owner as well?
@Rachael Choong
I am not the one saying you are happy. Just that you keep flagging the issue without involvement, sound more towards an outsider than an owners.
You should on-hold your payment much earlier if you see the major crack by your own eyes, and believe it will take months to years to solve the issue.
@Bryan
Honestly speaking, there is no way we can hold payment. Just have a look at the contract. The bank has got everything covered. The way I see things, Ideal will just go ahead with the least draw down and bank will commence interest on owners (I am included – I work in the finance industry I should know). So to those who have wishful thinking to hold payment, there is nothing we puny buyers can do. Look at those abandoned projects. The owners are paying installments even though the house is not theirs. So those hoping to confront Ideal, please do not get your hopes up. Ideal and banks have the upper hand. Bet they are laughing reading at the comments here.
Rachael Choong is in TR. Run for your life if I were you. Haha..
@Rachael Choong
I already on-hold the payment. Ideal can’t give evident that owner has claimed the VP, as stated in the letter to bank.
Those abandon project installment is only on those amount that bank already released. For this case, if your bank already released the money, and I on-hold it, assume the project abandon now, you will serving your 100% loan (probably minus the last 5% kept by the lawyer), but I will only serving my loan without the VP stage (should be 15% for VP).
@Bryan
Anyway, I hope all works ok but by the looks of it, Ideal has a big headache now. I bet they are exhausting all avenues to try to solve or at least superficially solve the problem and then leave the owners to hold the baby. Is the Thursday meeting still on?
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